Comments on: Should you talk to the police? http://fightcps.com/2009/03/07/should-you-talk-to-the-police/ Family Rights v. Child Welfare Services Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:26:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Shauna Robinson http://fightcps.com/2009/03/07/should-you-talk-to-the-police/comment-page-1/#comment-217262 Shauna Robinson Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:36:57 +0000 http://fightcps.com/?p=689#comment-217262 WARNING - I tried this advice. I had let CPS into my home initially, they searched my home, interviewed me and my children. Their only concern was that I was homeschooling my oldest child. Even though I was well within my right to homeschool my children they continued to harrass me at my home, so I began to deflect them. I refused to let them back into my home (although I did allow them to see my children in the doorway). I remained in contact with them through writing so that i had documentation. WHAT DID THEY DO BECAUSE I REFUSED TO LET THEM BACK INTO MY HOME? They got a judge to issue a search warrant, the police and CPS kicked down my door and removed my children. WHAT WAS THE IMMINENT DANGER THAT REQUIRED A SEARCH WARRANT? Homeschooling!! I never heard of a child being educated to death at home. I know it wasnt the fact that I homeschooled my child that caused this retaliation, It was because I humiliated the caseworker by exercising my constitutional rights. Me, being naive and thinking CPS had to follow the law and constitution made them angry enough to show just how much power they do have. Unfortunately for me and my children, they do have the power to do what ever they want. So my advice would be to bow down, kiss their butt, and do what ever it is they want you to do. As sad as that is to say, its true, At least until laws are changed and caseworkers are held accountable for their unjust and unconstitutional actions. WARNING – I tried this advice. I had let CPS into my home initially, they searched my home, interviewed me and my children. Their only concern was that I was homeschooling my oldest child. Even though I was well within my right to homeschool my children they continued to harrass me at my home, so I began to deflect them. I refused to let them back into my home (although I did allow them to see my children in the doorway). I remained in contact with them through writing so that i had documentation. WHAT DID THEY DO BECAUSE I REFUSED TO LET THEM BACK INTO MY HOME? They got a judge to issue a search warrant, the police and CPS kicked down my door and removed my children. WHAT WAS THE IMMINENT DANGER THAT REQUIRED A SEARCH WARRANT? Homeschooling!! I never heard of a child being educated to death at home. I know it wasnt the fact that I homeschooled my child that caused this retaliation, It was because I humiliated the caseworker by exercising my constitutional rights. Me, being naive and thinking CPS had to follow the law and constitution made them angry enough to show just how much power they do have.
Unfortunately for me and my children, they do have the power to do what ever they want. So my advice would be to bow down, kiss their butt, and do what ever it is they want you to do. As sad as that is to say, its true, At least until laws are changed and caseworkers are held accountable for their unjust and unconstitutional actions.

]]> By: Mike Winters http://fightcps.com/2009/03/07/should-you-talk-to-the-police/comment-page-1/#comment-178106 Mike Winters Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:24:12 +0000 http://fightcps.com/?p=689#comment-178106 Oh let me give you some advice on talking to the police---Don't and do not agree to a polygraph even if you are innocent. They will set you up in a heartbeat. They are trained to use anything against you. In regards to a polygraph, here is how it works. They will tell you it can't be used in court. Well if you pass it, then indeed it won't be. However, let's say you are particularly nervous (innocent people have failed lie detector test before and guilty people have passesd them) and fail the test. Don't think DCS won't use it against you. It is lose-lose. Do not agree to take DCS mandated parenting classes for something you did not do either. They see that as an admission of guilt. Fight it in court. Oh let me give you some advice on talking to the police—Don’t and do not agree to a polygraph even if you are innocent.

They will set you up in a heartbeat. They are trained to use anything against you. In regards to a polygraph, here is how it works. They will tell you it can’t be used in court. Well if you pass it, then indeed it won’t be. However, let’s say you are particularly nervous (innocent people have failed lie detector test before and guilty people have passesd them) and fail the test. Don’t think DCS won’t use it against you. It is lose-lose. Do not agree to take DCS mandated parenting classes for something you did not do either. They see that as an admission of guilt. Fight it in court.

]]> By: Mike Winters http://fightcps.com/2009/03/07/should-you-talk-to-the-police/comment-page-1/#comment-178105 Mike Winters Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:20:39 +0000 http://fightcps.com/?p=689#comment-178105 Children's Services in Tennessee are extremely corrupt. I can give you example after example. In my case, I have two children and 8 and a three and a half year old, I have 50-50 custody of. My ex has never liked the fact I had 50-50 custody and for years has done everything she could do to cause me problems. About four months ago, my three and half year old somehow ended up with a bad bruise in the back area. I do not know how it happened and that is the truth. She took the child to the doctor and then called Children's Services. I have had no contact with my children in four months. The 8 year old told them in the interview I would never hurt either one of them and did not hurt the three and a half year old. I don't even spank my children. They targeted me, I have spent thousands on legal fees and it hasn't matter one lick. Forget contacting the governor, etc. they do not care plain and simple. Children’s Services in Tennessee are extremely corrupt. I can give you example after example. In my case, I have two children and 8 and a three and a half year old, I have 50-50 custody of. My ex has never liked the fact I had 50-50 custody and for years has done everything she could do to cause me problems. About four months ago, my three and half year old somehow ended up with a bad bruise in the back area. I do not know how it happened and that is the truth. She took the child to the doctor and then called Children’s Services. I have had no contact with my children in four months. The 8 year old told them in the interview I would never hurt either one of them and did not hurt the three and a half year old. I don’t even spank my children. They targeted me, I have spent thousands on legal fees and it hasn’t matter one lick. Forget contacting the governor, etc. they do not care plain and simple.

]]> By: fran http://fightcps.com/2009/03/07/should-you-talk-to-the-police/comment-page-1/#comment-163664 fran Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:26:13 +0000 http://fightcps.com/?p=689#comment-163664 I showed my niece the above video. Until now she thought I was overly concerned about talking to these people w/o a lawyer. She understood after watching the video. Our rule is "NOT WITH MY LAWYER". Even the youngest (My 6 year old) knows this is the rule. I have tried to explain this to my niece who recently moved into our home. However until she saw the above video, I can safely say, she thought I was crazy. Not anymore. It sends a clear message. I showed my niece the above video.

Until now she thought I was overly concerned about talking to these people w/o a lawyer.

She understood after watching the video. Our rule is “NOT WITH MY LAWYER”. Even the youngest (My 6 year old) knows this is the rule.

I have tried to explain this to my niece who recently moved into our home. However until she saw the above video, I can safely say, she thought I was crazy.

Not anymore. It sends a clear message.

]]> By: LindaJoMartin http://fightcps.com/2009/03/07/should-you-talk-to-the-police/comment-page-1/#comment-163482 LindaJoMartin Tue, 10 Mar 2009 05:11:42 +0000 http://fightcps.com/?p=689#comment-163482 CC.. what you can do is file for a <a href="http://fightcps.com/2008/05/12/filing-for-an-state-administrative-hearing/" title="Filing for a State Administrative Hearing" rel="nofollow">state administrative hearing</a> and let an administrative law judge decide if the caseworker is doing her job properly. Many of these hearings are settled beforehand. CC.. what you can do is file for a state administrative hearing and let an administrative law judge decide if the caseworker is doing her job properly. Many of these hearings are settled beforehand.

]]> By: Fern http://fightcps.com/2009/03/07/should-you-talk-to-the-police/comment-page-1/#comment-163354 Fern Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:00:54 +0000 http://fightcps.com/?p=689#comment-163354 EVERYONE: CPS must now notify family within 30 days of a child been taken by CPS. New Federal Law, enacted October, 2008. Read and get back to those cw's. Was your family notified if your child was seized by CPS. READ THIS: Grandchildren Adopted Out of the Family By Amy Goyer | February 24, 2009 Reader Question: Our family has been ripped apart because our grandchildren were adopted outside the family. This has been very traumatic for all of us as we have tried very hard to get the authorities to allow us to adopt them. We feel the system has failed our entire family in this matter. How do we get people to listen? And what can we do to keep going? We want everyone to be aware of the laws in our state and what they can do to prevent this from happening to them. Where do we start? Many grandparents are willing to step up to the plate and gain custody or adopt grandchildren when parents can’t raise them – for whatever reason. Unfortunately, your situation is all too common. Family members may be the last to know when a child is available for adoption. The good news is that after many years of advocating for grandparents in this kind of situation, on Oct. 7, 2008 the Fostering Connections to Success and Increasing Adoptions Act was signed into law. This new law directly addresses the tragic issue you and many others face. It mandates that state child welfare agencies provide notice to all adult grandparents and other relatives within 30 days of a child being removed from a parent’s custody. Most states have already had notification policies on the books, but in reality those policies were not always enforced. This new law makes it compulsory, with few exceptions, and it also makes it easier for child welfare agencies to find families members. Some of the strongest advocates for this law were grandparents who are unable to have a relationship with a grandchild because adoptive families chose not to allow the child to see – or even know about – their relatives. There is still a need for more advocacy. Spread the word that this new law exists, and hold your state agencies accountable to it. Start a discussion about this topic here on Grandparents.com. Grandparents, if the child welfare system is involved in your grandchild’s life, make sure that those on the case know you exist and how to reach you. Sadly, this law comes into effect too late for this family, and many others. But it does shed a ray of hope for the thousands of grandparents who will face a situation like this down the road. Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. * Digg * del.icio.us * Furl * Netscape * NewsVine * Reddit * scuttle * StumbleUpon * Technorati * YahooMyWeb Share/Save/Bookmark This entry was posted in Uncategorized and tagged Adoption, Child Welfare, Custody, Grandparent adoptions, Grandparents raising grandchildren, Legal, National Fostering Connections to Success and Increasing Adoptions Act, Notification of relatives. Bookmark the permalink. Leave a trackback: Trackback URL. « Staying Connected with Long Distance Grandchildren Raising Relatives’ Children » Post a Comment Your email is never published nor shared. Required fields are marked * Name * Email Address * Comment EVERYONE:

CPS must now notify family within 30 days of a child been taken by CPS.

New Federal Law, enacted October, 2008.

Read and get back to those cw’s. Was your family notified if your child was seized by CPS.

READ THIS:

Grandchildren Adopted Out of the Family
By Amy Goyer | February 24, 2009

Reader Question: Our family has been ripped apart because our grandchildren were adopted outside the family. This has been very traumatic for all of us as we have tried very hard to get the authorities to allow us to adopt them. We feel the system has failed our entire family in this matter. How do we get people to listen? And what can we do to keep going? We want everyone to be aware of the laws in our state and what they can do to prevent this from happening to them. Where do we start?

Many grandparents are willing to step up to the plate and gain custody or adopt grandchildren when parents can’t raise them – for whatever reason. Unfortunately, your situation is all too common. Family members may be the last to know when a child is available for adoption. The good news is that after many years of advocating for grandparents in this kind of situation, on Oct. 7, 2008 the Fostering Connections to Success and Increasing Adoptions Act was signed into law. This new law directly addresses the tragic issue you and many others face. It mandates that state child welfare agencies provide notice to all adult grandparents and other relatives within 30 days of a child being removed from a parent’s custody. Most states have already had notification policies on the books, but in reality those policies were not always enforced. This new law makes it compulsory, with few exceptions, and it also makes it easier for child welfare agencies to find families members.

Some of the strongest advocates for this law were grandparents who are unable to have a relationship with a grandchild because adoptive families chose not to allow the child to see – or even know about – their relatives. There is still a need for more advocacy. Spread the word that this new law exists, and hold your state agencies accountable to it. Start a discussion about this topic here on Grandparents.com. Grandparents, if the child welfare system is involved in your grandchild’s life, make sure that those on the case know you exist and how to reach you. Sadly, this law comes into effect too late for this family, and many others. But it does shed a ray of hope for the thousands of grandparents who will face a situation like this down the road.
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]]> By: cc http://fightcps.com/2009/03/07/should-you-talk-to-the-police/comment-page-1/#comment-163334 cc Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:45:26 +0000 http://fightcps.com/?p=689#comment-163334 what can be done when cps worker ignores the lack of care being given by foster parents such as red streaks not rash in cracks of legs, rear, and privates, and not taking baby to a doctor when she has green snot comming out her nose for 6 days? we did use a disposable camera to take pictures of the red marks when she was delivered for visitation with dried bm in the crack of her rear and the store gave pictures to the caseworker who just said that isnt bad. This caseworker has also been caught telling lies. How is it ok for a foster home to ignore giving proper care? what can be done when cps worker ignores the lack of care being given by foster parents such as red streaks not rash in cracks of legs, rear, and privates, and not taking baby to a doctor when she has green snot comming out her nose for 6 days? we did use a disposable camera to take pictures of the red marks when she was delivered for visitation with dried bm in the crack of her rear and the store gave pictures to the caseworker who just said that isnt bad. This caseworker has also been caught telling lies. How is it ok for a foster home to ignore giving proper care?

]]> By: gasyoas http://fightcps.com/2009/03/07/should-you-talk-to-the-police/comment-page-1/#comment-163332 gasyoas Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:40:45 +0000 http://fightcps.com/?p=689#comment-163332 Did my best to comply with a court order but that was not good enough. CPS snatched my 16 yr old daughter from school on a Friday afternoon. They came in and interrogated her during school. They got just enough info to accuse me of violating the order. This order was a recommendation by a referee and not signed by a judge. It didn't matter. I must now go to trial and try to get my daughter returned to our home. I can plead responsible, no contest or not responsible. No matter what I plea or what the outcome it will take at least 6 weeks to get her back. I was given the privilege of visiting my daughter once in a chimp cage. She was terrified that I would blame her for her removal because she talked to CPS worker. I must now deal with foster care services to gradually work my way back to where we were before she was kidnapped by CPS. My recommendation is upon initial contact with CPS, contact a lawyer. DON’T WAIT until it is too late! It will be much cheaper and less traumatic on you and your children. Did my best to comply with a court order but that was not good enough. CPS snatched my 16 yr old daughter from school on a Friday afternoon. They came in and interrogated her during school. They got just enough info to accuse me of violating the order. This order was a recommendation by a referee and not signed by a judge.
It didn’t matter. I must now go to trial and try to get my daughter returned to our home.
I can plead responsible, no contest or not responsible. No matter what I plea or what the outcome it will take at least 6 weeks to get her back. I was given the privilege of visiting my daughter once in a chimp cage. She was terrified that I would blame her for her removal because she talked to CPS worker. I must now deal with foster care services to gradually work my way back to where we were before she was kidnapped by CPS. My recommendation is upon initial contact with CPS, contact a lawyer. DON’T WAIT until it is too late! It will be much cheaper and less traumatic on you and your children.

]]> By: stormee http://fightcps.com/2009/03/07/should-you-talk-to-the-police/comment-page-1/#comment-163319 stormee Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:01:30 +0000 http://fightcps.com/?p=689#comment-163319 TRUE!!!!!!!, Chris is so correct!!!!!! DO NOT talk to CPS!! They cannot make you and the are not the law. When you talk to them, the can is then open and they will turn everything you say into someth8ing negative, they willpl add to your words as they see fit,so they can take your children!! If and only then, if a law enforcement comes to your house, you can shw them your children to show they are ok. Do NOT open the door without a search warrant!!! They(the police and CPS) will try to scare you into o.pening the door without having a search warrant. when they leave, you leave and later call and find out the info about what they have been told etc. this will give you tme to call kinship and get your "ducks in a row"!!! read stories on fightcps and also "google" (falsley accused child abuse/neglect) TRUE!!!!!!!, Chris is so correct!!!!!! DO NOT talk to CPS!! They cannot make you and the are not the law. When you talk to them, the can is then open and they will turn everything you say into someth8ing negative, they willpl add to your words as they see fit,so they can take your children!! If and only then, if a law enforcement comes to your house, you can shw them your children to show they are ok. Do NOT open the door without a search warrant!!! They(the police and CPS) will try to scare you into o.pening the door without having a search warrant. when they leave, you leave and later call and find out the info about what they have been told etc. this will give you tme to call kinship and get your “ducks in a row”!!! read stories on fightcps and also “google” (falsley accused child abuse/neglect)

]]> By: Chris http://fightcps.com/2009/03/07/should-you-talk-to-the-police/comment-page-1/#comment-163261 Chris Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:57:52 +0000 http://fightcps.com/?p=689#comment-163261 I'm a former CPS employee and I agree you should NOT let them into your home without a warrant. They are trained to bully and lie. Don't believe them. It kills me that I tell people these things over and over but they never believe me until it's too late. Everyone assumes that CPS will just go away if they only show them how cooperative they are. It does NOT work like that. I’m a former CPS employee and I agree you should NOT let them into your home without a warrant. They are trained to bully and lie. Don’t believe them. It kills me that I tell people these things over and over but they never believe me until it’s too late. Everyone assumes that CPS will just go away if they only show them how cooperative they are. It does NOT work like that.

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