FightCPS Guestbook for September 2008

This is the guestbook for September 2008.

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My grandchildren are in the process of being adopted out to their foster mom. My husband and I previously had visits with them with the foster mom and her mother supervising the visit. One instant I was alone with one of my grandchildren who told me that the foster mom pinches her on the back of the neckas a form of discipline. When her caseworker found out that I had questioned my grandchild she stopped our visits. Even though the foster mom had been pinching her neck. My husband and I have been trying over a year to get custody of them, however the judge ruled against us. And what did CPS say about the mark on the back of the neck that we, made it up so that we could get the kids. Although its been over six months since we have seen the marks, I am worried and want to call the CPS hotline to tell them. However, I’m afraid that CPS will say we’re just mad because we didn’t get the children. What should we do?

Comment by jean — September 1, 2008 @ 10:06 pm

my son was taken from the hospital from me 2wks after he was born. the main reason then was because im a pagan and then said i was crazy. They put him in foster care then a week later gave him back and we had to rush him to the hospital a few hours later because he was white paastey looking and was barely breathing they gave him RSV..he almost died from it.cps wouldnt let us see our son in the hospital for a while.he was then put back in foster care and we got visitation one hour a day once a week.now my mom and mother in law have him and its hell…we are still fighting and have court tomorrow..im scared i need a civil attourney someone who can fight harder than CPS..

Comment by Josephine Winship — September 2, 2008 @ 7:48 am

CPS has had my son who is alittle over 2 yrs.old they have out him on respiradal…..my last trial date is Dec.9th.
They have secheculed a 2nd opinion for him 9/30..Does anubody know anything about this med?
There is so much to this story its so sad.
I still can;t believe its happened?
He’s been moved 7 times in 1 year and they say he has Pervasive personality disorder.
They did this to him!!!!!!
This is child abuse.
Please emailIl me at Tracy6945@hotmail.com

Comment by Tracy Barrett — September 2, 2008 @ 6:14 pm

I’m a single mother in Texas, which by some interpretations of the Family Code governing CPS is very illegal. My daughter doesn’t know her father and I don’t know where he is. We are not the traditional single parent family in Texas either: I am not receiving TANF, WIC, and I am currently reapplying for medicaid and food stamps for our household. My daughter was born with a cleft lip and palate; CPS is currently working on trying to blame that on something I might have done in my pregnancy. CPS is always at my door 3 months after the previous csae is closed. This is my third case and I’m just not willing to roll over and play dead anymore. My daughter hasn’t any bruises, is exceptionally brilliant, enjoys playing with her friends at the daycare and is cautious of new people but not scared of anybody. I am a full-time college student and afford things we need with financial aid from the government. CPS is convinced since I am not at home with my child and do not have a retail show house I must be a bad parent. I am a bit freaked out about the fact that they want my kid so bad that they are willing to harass her specialists, willing to tell me to make up additional mental health problems so MHMR will see me about my adult ADD, and usually want me to move back to where I think her father might be so my family can take care of us. This worker obviously think all of the professionals who deal with my daughter are lying to them. The mental conditions I’d have to make up are grounds for CPS to take my child. If I were to move in with my family I would be taking her away from the medical care she needs for her lip and palate, both physically and monitarilly. I cannot afford to drive 2,400 miles to see surgeons on a regular basis with a 2.5 year old. I have been falsely accused three times because I took someone’s parking space, or I wouldn’t apply for more governmental support I obviously do not need, or because I’m skinny and my accussor is absolutly not. I have anxiety attacks when the CPS worker visits because if I breathe in the wrong interval and pitch they’re going to take my child. I cannot be the only person out there who is trying to make a better life for my daughter who has to fight for my child tooth and nail. I am scared and on the verge of losing hope which I know is the best way for a CPS worker to make me try to slip up. I am fighting but it seems to be a losing battle. If there is any positive energies My daughter and I can have for a while we will gladly take them. icechilled at hot.rr.com

Comment by Sarah Olds — September 2, 2008 @ 6:56 pm

Please, I need someone’s help!

My 17 year old step-daughter from my marriage (I’m divorced now) lives with me because her mother wants nothing to do with her, and never has.

Someone who has a grudge against me (I know who, based on the allegations) has reported me to CPS.

Now, for the third time in less than 9 months, CPS is performing an investigation. I’ll have to take time off work again, and subject myself and my home to search.

Each time, I explain that she has lived with me for over a year, that I have an improperly completed Power of Attorney, that her mother collects her disability check and I’m stuck in them middle. Instead, all they want to know is if she’s safe, and why she’s not on medication or in school.

I don’t know what else to do! What are my rights in North Carolina?

Sincerely,
Confused and Abused (by CPS)

Comment by Doug Eubanks — September 2, 2008 @ 6:59 pm

Hello. I just finished reading “Dark Secrets behind Child Protective Services” and it made me feel like I’m not the only one. I got caught in CPS’ web a little over a year ago and have always been distraught and confused. They took my kids for no reason.The way it is here, if enough cruel enemies tell enough lies to cps, they will take your kids. It doesn’t matter if the allegations were “unsubstantiated”. I was in a domestic violence relationship with my husband whom I was seperated from at the time. He got out of jail and things were fine between us again, I watched him around the kids and he wasn’t violent at all. I had him watch my kids while I went to night school. It was a three week course, in the beginning of my last week of classes, I was set up. I left him with the kids, he trashed my house and he called cps on me. I went to his dads home where he and the kids were staying, I called the police because I didnt know that cps had told him to take the kids. I called it in as a kidnapping, mainly because my daughter wasn’t his anyway.When the cops came, he and his dad lied to them and said I hit him. I was arrested and spent the night in jail. The next day, there was the meeting at cps saying that there was so much stuff being told to them that they had to take my kids, “Just until they could sort it all out”. The hearing date two days later, I was stuck in the hospital having surgery. I missed it, which looked bad. My kids were placed in two seperate homes for an entire year. We all only saw each other for a couple hours a week. I devoted my life to completing a case plan. I had everything done in August 07 and didnt get custody back until March 08.Then they gave my now ex-husband an extension to do his caseplan. The one who destroyed my kids lives to begin with, got extra time to bullshit his way through a caseplan that they say “fixed” his problems. He has many sociopathic characteristics, but now it’s okay for him to get unsupervised visits because a caseplan “fixes” people. He’s even threatened to take my son out of state and not come back. Even a couple hours will give him enough time to kidnap my son. But Caseplan=Miracle=Perfect Parent. Can anyone believe this shit???

Comment by Chrystal — September 2, 2008 @ 8:31 pm

update:

Trial is set for NEXT FRIDAY MORNING at Edelman Children’s Court, a division of the Los Angeles County Superior Court System, it is docket #CK73637, in case anyone wants to put their 2 cents in.

My county appointed counsel, Jennifer Meister, Esq. is doing a fantastic job so far. A request for county counsel to dismiss this case with or without condition (conditions would be that LA County pay for stress and parenting counseling for me and for my son, if necessary and make sure he goes, i.e., provide supervision and transportation directly to HIM).

My son admitted he battered me with a broomstick a couple of weeks ago. This fact was sifted out of the initial LAPD police report by Sandra Holguin, RN, Los Angeles County Department of Mental
Health. Nurse Holguin (referred to in previous posts as “nurse ratchett”) was assigned on July 10, 2008 to the LAPD SMART team to do a 5150. She has no training in education, audiology, pulomology etc. She came to my home on that day at approx. 2 pm, refused to ID herself, threatened to take my son away if I do not “talk” and then proceeded to accuse me of being either paranoid or manic, not sure how she decided I was manic. In any event DOCTOR Alvaro Campos, PhD, Los Angeles Department of Mental Health checked me out for two hours 8 days later and wrote a letter stating I have NO MENTAL ILLNESS but rather STRESS from the current custody dispute and stress related to how I internalize frustration related to my AUDIOLOGICAL impairment.

LAPD also accused me of “scratching his face” which my son admitted he himself had scratched. It itched. He had a bad sunburn from overnight camp, which he had JUST returned from before they snatched him.

SRF Bramachari Lee, SRF Boys Youth Program director remembers the sunburn and told DCFS worker MARCELINO that he is an eye witness to my child scratching his own face. This was left out of the detention report.

Brother Lee should be subpoenaed as a witness to testify that my son max had a bad sunburn received the week of July 5th, five days before the county mistook the sunburn for some sort of parent inflicted “scratches.”

My son never told any cop or social worker that he wants to live in a foster home. He told them that IF he could not go HOME to mom, he would prefer to stay in the same foster home. That was not honored. He has been moved three times, each time to a new “secret” Latino home, the address I have found each time on intellus for a fee of $4.50 as soon as DCFS gives me the phone number, they still cannot figure it out.

I reported the last foster home to DCFS for suspected abuse of my son. That report is now being investigated by DCFS emergency response worker Armando Franco, and the Maywood Police did also go over to make sure that everyone is OK, but they did not report to me, they were official told by DCFS that they were supposed to pretend my son was not in Maywood, because the juvenille court minute order says “keep foster location confidential.” they could not keep it confidential for 24 hours!

The county told the dependency court on July 15th that “an online school could not possibly be real.” Not only is it a certified and accredited charter school, but my son had top scores on the recent STAR exam, max scored in the top 1% of the NATION for reading comprehension, the top 2% of the NATION for written communication, the top 7% of the NATION for mathematics, the STAR results just came out last week.

The county thought I was being “uncooperative” because I prefer to use written communication in a crisis rather than attempting to speak to people who are loud and threatening me with violence. LAPD was very aggressive on 7/10/08, for no reason, I was on live relay with the station that had sent them the entire time they were outside my apartment, attempting to break down my door with a battering ram ordered specifically for the purpose of entering an apartment of a hearing impaired disabled single mom, WHILE THE CHILD SAT OUTSIDE THE ENTIRE TIME WATCHING THEM DO IT. LAPD could not receive a relay call because of equipment problems (they do not make it a policy to issue uniformed officers cellular telephones, according to Sergent Ventura at Wilshire Station). That topic, relay and assistive technology for deaf is covered by the Unruh Act, I am preparing a separate complaint for DFEH, the California Department of Fair Housing against the County of Los Angeles, that will be handled on a State level. If DFEH agrees that my evidence proves discrimination occurred, they will hand over the complaint to the California EEOC, which will set the case for mediation, stay tuned folks!

This may be a comedy of errors, but it is the child who is suffering the most. He hit me, I reported this to the LAPD the day it happened, they evidently left this out of the report, “they” is Sandra Hogluin, RN, DMH, assigned to the LAPD SMART team. I have not heard any comment from her boss, Linda Boyd, feel free to put your two cents in to the Los Angeles Department of Mental Health if you do not think psych nurses should be allowed into our homes without ID to lecture us on their personal views on homeschooling. My son made a formal request to HIS lawyer to remain in the homeschooling program, but to date that request has not been honored, he is now a student at Rivera Middle School in Pico Rivera, he just started the 8th grade. I sure hope he does not hit anybody!

The SMART team refused to honor my request that they use written language (live relay) to communicate with me, they barged into my home without a warrant and they refused ID. The nurse also threatened to take my son away the entire time, and threatened to “lock me up in the mental hospital” BECAUSE I asked for ID. Linda Boyd is her direct supervisor, if you do not think Nurse Holguin should have this much power, please send Ms. Boyd an email: LBoyd@dmh.lacounty.gov

I not only TOLD Nurse Holguin on 7/10/08 at 2 pm or so that my son battered me, leading to my screaming and that in turn leading to a random observer in the street calling 911, I showed her the broomstick my son used to batter me and showed her both bruises on my right arm, those were also observed 8 days later by Alvaro Campos, PhD at the Los Angeles Dept. of Mental Health.

PLEASE PUBLICIZE AND PRAY.

LA TIMES is still deciding last I read (about 2 weeks ago) whether or not they should assign a news reporter to this story. I have been asked by a few people (lawyers, mental health workers, friends) to WRITE A BOOK. I will if I can get funding. Send me an email: aovitsky@ca.rr.com if you have a source of SUPPORT. Blessings.

Comment by a.j. ovitsky — September 2, 2008 @ 10:31 pm

i hope this wonderful site gets a few more hits after my last post.

My son likes to talk to people about his miserable life as a teenage boy, stuck with an activist single mom who gave up a career as a professional legal assistant to homeschool him so that he would stay out of trouble until he is old enough (16) to take personal responsibility for the consquences of his actions.

What started all this with Los Angeles (where we actually got along just fine for the first year, but for some financial hard times, related to my hearing difference)
is my son went to LAPD, but not to report me. He went to have a chat with them about EMANCIPATION. The cops who took the report did not know it is a legal term; he was asking to be treated like an adult at the age of 12. I explained to the cop in February of this year what the term means: freedom from parents AT THE AGE OF SIXTEEN (16). That is about 3 years, 11 months and 3 weeks away….my son has a sometimes violent temper, that we can learn to control, it is under much better control now than ever before (no incidents for a whole year!) an the IQ of Einstein (well, one point lower), I am a single mom with unsupportive family and a hearing difference often mistaken for mental illness, but I keep pretty good records after 25 years in the law business.

Please pray for freedom!

Comment by a.j. ovitsky — September 2, 2008 @ 10:53 pm

correct, he just turned 13. it is 2 years, 11 months and 3 weeks away.

Comment by a.j. ovitsky — September 2, 2008 @ 10:54 pm

hii..nice to meet this web…success for you all especially to the admin..

Comment by piter — September 3, 2008 @ 2:22 am

Doug, check the law in your state. In mamy states, a child can leave school at the age of 16. If that is so in your state, educational neglect can not be found.
As to medication, what do her doctors say? Get a private dr’s report.
You might also look into emancipation.
Good luck.

Comment by MaggieC — September 3, 2008 @ 4:46 am

I belive emanciption is age 16 for all states, cld be wrong, also looking to emancipate in >3 years. Nobody can force anybody to take pills, my kid began refusing on his own when he was about 11, but never wanted to take them even at age 6. Prvt written report from tx MD or Phd will help a great deal, the court just needs some authority to act/reunify, the more written documentation you can provide, the better the chance you stand of getting him back. Blessings.

Comment by a.j. ovitsky — September 3, 2008 @ 4:50 pm

Ovitsky:

Troy Anderson?? of the LA Daily News tells it straight regarding DCFS.

Some thoughts–to ponder.

Are you of Latino heritage?

Check out:

http://www.theacf.org Charlie

Assaults on parents are NOT uncommon when children are your size and weight.

May I further suggest a support group for out of control teens, preteens?

Do some research, there should be some that are parent run and can also offer suggestions.

School counselor or local hospital might have pointers to these groups in your vicinity.

Do you have a friend who would take the teen?

Report back. This is a common story in the archives of parental troubles. F.

Comment by Fern — September 4, 2008 @ 6:09 am

in april of 2006 after my husband physically assaulted me in front of our 2 boys, the police was involved and at that time searched him and found drug paraphanalia. they immediatly took possession of my boys and escorted us to local p.d where c.p.s was waiting. long story short, my boys were removed because i neglected them by putting them in an abusive situation on numerous occasions, even tho it was me that was being hurt. devestated as i was i tried everything and complied everyway even put a restraining order on my husband and he was later arrested for violating it. While trying to comply with c.p.s and going through the most horrible depression because i could not get any progress on the case, i turned to drugs, got caught, ended up in prison along with my husband. c.p.s threatened to place my boys in foster care possibly seperating them, refusing to allow my family to take them (b/c of the cost for a home study?) my husbands grandparents said they would “adopt” them as a legal solution to rid of c.p.s. They have millions.. but the understanding wasd that when i got home i would get them back, granted i was doing good and drug free. reluctantly i agreed cuz i felt i had no other choice, i didnt want my boys with strangers or seperated. We voluntarilly allowed them to adopt, i get out of prison everythings great, im trying to work myself back in their lives,going to t-ball practice and games, having dinner at mc.donalds, etc whatever time the grandparents would allow…untill one day on my youngests b’day (3) after mamy failed attempts to celebrate with them, the granfather tells me via the phone not to ever call again that i will never see my boys again, and that they never planned on giving them back, this was the end of everything and that i shouldnt have got sent to prison. They have my boys call them mom and dad and they tell my kids lies and keep the truth from them. they basically have tried to erase all memory of me or their dad. I dont know what to do!!! legally i dont think i got a chance, unless someone knows different. otherwise im dying more inside everyday without them…please help

Comment by mwhittenton — September 4, 2008 @ 6:21 am

for 4 yrs I have been reading horrah stories, including mine, about how the state and gov kidnap families children. It is slavery at it’s best because NO ONE will stop this insane practice because it is above the law, it is the law and there is tons of money to be made by the evil people they train to do this. NO ONE knows how to fight this and win. Our babies are products of future jail bate when they discover the truth and resentment sets in. Amazing how NO ONE gives a damn… except to keep airing/hearing the ENDLESS stories of our legally kidnapped children. Who suffers the most… the drugged up kids that are forced to go to foster homes!! Wake me up when there is ACTION taken against this entire U.S. government driven child theft organization.

Comment by Keira Williams — September 4, 2008 @ 7:49 am

If there are any grandparents in Arizona who have tried to get their children from CPS and failed please contact me at admin@fancybooks.com there is a reporter that is doing a story and the more people we get the better. Let’s blow this thing out of the water.

Comment by jean — September 4, 2008 @ 8:31 am

Fl is the worst corrupt cps system in the country we are fighting to get three healthy boys back in the home.. One Doc is god in the court system what he says goes.. the judge wil rubber stamp this through to cover his butt. We are falsely accused and the state of FL will make us jump through hoops to achieve their goal ADOPTION and money to keep case workers, judges etc employed time for reform of the most corrupt system in the nation CPS is looking for “product” healthy kids to sell (adopt) any ideas?

Comment by frenchy — September 4, 2008 @ 8:25 pm

Do any of you know what the emancipation age in Colorado is? My daughter just turned 15. She was snatched by my lesbian mother & her controlling ‘partner’ two years ago. They snitched and lied to DHS about my husband & I. My daughter is an excellent student & plans to go to college. She will graduate when she’s 17, but she wants out of that untraditional liberal household as much as I want my children out of there!

Comment by Susan — September 5, 2008 @ 2:44 am

Our nightmare began in 2006, I am a mother and grandmother. There has always been a domestic situation between my oldest son and my grandson’s mother. In 2006 she made allegations against my youngest adult mentally handicapped son of sexual abuse. CPS followed up on the allegations and turned the information over to a detective. They even tried to bring a granddaughter into the mix. My son who is mild - moderately mentally handicapped
was indicted in 2007 and found guilty in 2008. He has been sittting in jail for a couple months now. I am so confused because my son had health servixes in place during the time this was suppose to happen. He had support staff with him from 9 - 24 hours a day. He had nursing services in place 4x a day. He had his own apartment and the location of the alleged
allegations was occupied by someone else. He didn’t visit there and neither did the child? There was no physical evidence.His casemanager was in court to testify but the lawyer sent him away and a home health nurse to. He had a court appointed lawyer,who had a trial by judge? The nightmare goes on and on. He will be sentenced next week 9-11 for something he has not done. CPS has torn another family apart. Not only is my mentally handicapped son sitting in jail and is innocent, I have not seen my grandson in 2 years. This situation is out of control,and is getting worse.

Comment by Lorene Watson — September 5, 2008 @ 12:07 pm

Hi everyone
my 14 y/o daugther was trying to date a boy who will be 18 this month i didnot aloud them june 11 of this year dcf showed up in my house allegation was i threw dish at my daughter i denied it but my daughter told them it happened we explained them the stituation we were in with this boy PI told us she is going to close the investigation with no finding june 27 dcf show up again this time allegation was i try to strangled my child we both denied it july 11 dcf show up again this time i hit her and knocked her to the ground we denied that also in one month they showed up in my house 3 time first PI who showed up in my house who told us she was going to close the case finally closed it in july 30th with some indicator i m not happy about all this happened to us just because we didnot let our child date to this boy i have proof he was the 1st caller 2nd caller was his bestfriend mom i dont know who the 3 rd caller was when i spoke to dcf after they closed the case with some indicatorsif i can file a complain about this people the PI told me no because my daugther was writing this letters to him saying things that didnot happened in the house because she provided this people with this letters and they defense was because of the letters they were concerned about her safety how fair is that i know why my child did what she did dcf knows too because she was somewhat sexually active with him and she didnot want me to find out about after the 2nd call i filed a complain about him to the law enforcement finally its in state attorney hands but i think way the dcf handled this calls was wrong because PI knew everything from the beginning when i got the summary from dcf i was not happy with it they told me i cant do anything to chance they findings and more i read about dcf more i get upset about

Comment by tajams — September 5, 2008 @ 12:12 pm

We have been observing what CPS has done to you all.

It is beyond sickening to steal other people’s children - these people at CPS -

I hope I am never face to face with them - they are cruel and stupid - yes, probably degrees but they have no idea how angelic and normal you people are -

You know I really don’t have the words - I live in a very, very, very affluent area - have all my life - I would say that 80% of these rich people are really, really miserable.

I would much rather raise kids they way you do - riding horses and chasing greased pigs for fun is the way to go and I am serious - I am not making fun - these CPS people -

I would bet one million dollars that thye have forgotten how to laugh - I mean that - they are the reptiles.

Comment by penny eppler — September 5, 2008 @ 4:48 pm

I have a night mare so here I am. A friend of mine in Texas thought I should come here. My ex husband has really pulled a number on me. My ex called DHS here in Iowa April 28th of this year, and told them that I knew and approved anf gave permission for our then 11 year old how is 12 now to have sex with a 16 year old boy, which is not true at all. Then on the 29th of April DHS went to see him and in his interview with DHS when they asked him he said I did not do it and did not know. It is in black and white in the report but yet DHS proceeded. with this. It is in black and white in the report filed, because I did not get the report until after the china hearing like a dope I agreed but then when I realized what had been said I started to fight this thing. Our girl has been in foster care for 5 months. Not only did DHS allow this to go on they have the report all wrong. When I met my husband who I am married to now, I left her alone at our house as she did not want to come. She looks 16 years of age. Anyway I called her frequently to make sure she was home and alright plus I came home to check on her etc. DHS said I then allowed her to continue to go to the boys house after I found out about the pregnancy scare, that is not true at all. My ex gave her wine coolers and smoked pot around her admitted to it and DHS for the most part did nothing to him. I did win the right for appeal hearing on the phone and my court appointed attorney told me to call the Iowa attorney general to see what settlement meant. When I asked I was horrified of their reply. They want me to say their report is founded and then they will take my name off list, well this report was not founded. It was started by lies. They put me on a child abusers list for 10 years for something I did not do. My ex knows this and refuses to come forward he says DHS misworded what he said. They are making him take drug tests of which he continues to fail, as of yesterday said he has to go to rehab. He is planning on fighting for full custody but he is also behind $18,000 back child support. My husband says it is just a scam to get out of child support. For years my ex was not interested in our youngest and now all of a sudden he is? Anway my friend said you guys could help me through this. I have done everything DHS has told me to do. I have lost $400 a month in income from this hours at work and many tears. My appeal phone hearing is Wednesday if anyone has advice that would help please email me at poston_kathy@hotmail.com There were times DHS would not allow me to see my child and when I asked why they said I knew and approved of her having sex and had it coming to me. What ever happened to innocent before proven guilty?

Thanks
Kat Risinger

Comment by Kathy Risinger — September 5, 2008 @ 5:37 pm

DAYTON, OHIO ….Grandmother needs some assistance when filing prose. The steps from beginning to end! I don’t want to bore anyone but I really need my story heard from SOMEONE & theres NO keeping it Simple when something like this happens to you & your Family.As several of you know.I know if I was reading something this long I would probably stop unless it kept me interested & I hope some of you read my story so maybe you can advise me now at this point what I can do. I want to start out saying that “If Only I had Known” half of what I know now.Let me explain first that my Daughter (April) has 3 kids and Legal custody of my other daughter(Amy)s,Daughter & I have Legal custody of Amy’s son. We were granted legal custody in Jan.2006. In Nov. 2007 the school nurse called me & asked me to pick up 2 of my granddaughters because they had Lice. So I did.My daughter had them out of school for several months due to this problem & other problems going on with her at the time. I had tried myself several times to get them back into school but they always seemed to find lice & or nits so were not permitted to return. This was an on going problem. I did get Very upset with my Daughter that she wasn’t taking care of the situation Fast enough & or thorough enough. I realize that she had her hands full with 4 kids & trying to get her Life together & back on track for her & the kids. Her only income was the check she gets for taking care of my granddaughter & she doesn’t drive. she couldn’t keep buying All the needed stuff to get rid of the lice completely & to continue treatment untill Completely gone. I contacted the Health Dept. & asked if they could help her so kids could get back into school & she informed me that since my daughter was out of her area she would have to try & get another Nurse to go see her. My daughter told me that they had called 1 time & she had to reschedule & that was the Last she heard from them. Yes, I gave her pure Hell & told her to keep calling back until she gets the help. In the mean time I had spent a couple hundred dollars myself buying all the shampoo,conditioner, sprays, cleanning her Apt. & bombing it & washng ALL the laundry in the house. At this particular time it was the Holidays & her friend had an empty house that she let them stay in for awhile why she got things straightened out & got her Apt. fixed back up.She thought she was being evicted in Nov.& had everything packed up etc. You know how it is when your packing & moving. She didn’t have time to unpack & get the Apt. back together before Christmas so thats why she went to her friends house so kids could enjoy Christmas in a Big nice house. When she moved back to apt. in Jan.2008 I thought the girls were already back in school. My daughter didn’t have a phone at that time so I had no way to contact her. I relied on her to call me at the time for whatever reasons, or I would go there if I felt the need too. She had called me several times & didn’t tell me that the girls were still out of school.One day I got a call from the school nurse calling to check on girls & that is How I found out that they were still Not in school. At this point in time I asked my daughter to sign a paper for me to keep girls with me thru the week so I could get them in school in my district since we were having a hard time getting hem into school where she lived at.she refused to do it at the time because she wanted her kids with her & didnt want to live a Day without them. So again I tried my best to get them back into school. The nurse was not always in to be able to take them to be checked, & some of the times she was there I didnt have a way to get them there. one time I took them I had fallen into a Big snow bank trying to get to my car & I was a few minutes late & nurse refused to check them at that time. One time they needed proof that my daughter still lived in the district because they heard she moved (she didnt) & I took rent receipt to show them but that wasnt good enough so I had to get a copy of her lease thru the Legal dept. of housing she lives in & that took a couple weeks. After all the effort they still couldnt get back into school.In march my daughter had told me that children services(CPS) was trying to get in touch of her concerning a complaint they had. Well she ignored then for some time & refused to call them or answer her door.I was VERY upset with her for that because I told her they weren’t going to go away so she needed to talk to them. Eventually she did. At that time I had the girls back with me trying to get them back in school again & I refused to take them home because I didn’t want to risk them getting lice again after all the work I did finally getting rid of it. I received one phone call from a SW telling me that they needed to see the girls face to face & were coming to my house to see them since they were told thats where they were at & if I wasn’t home to call # to let them know so they can reschedule.I was in the basement getting out Easter stuff when she came by & called so I missed her & the call But i immediately called her back & appologized & told her what I was doing & told her she was welcome to come back anytime & that I was getting them into school & if this time they were not permitted back in for what ever reasons me & my daughter were going to write up a paper allowing me to provide for there educational needs etc. I Never received a call back from anyone & I wasn’t going to pursue them when they knew what was up & if they wanted to call me they could. In the mean time there was a First hearing which I really didnt understand what for but I knew my daughter didnt go because she was in the Hospital but she had the nurse call the SW & left her a message telling her she was in the Hospital.What happened after that I do not know but the next hearing I found out about the morning of the hearing & my daughter called me crying saying she just received the notice & had no babysitter or transportation there . She kept trying to reach someone at the agency leaving several messages so I told her I would go to the court house to see what was going on & explain to the Judge WHY she couldn’t make it. When I got there I wasn’t permitted past the guards desk because I wasn’t a Party to the case. I asked them if they could let someone know that I was there concerning my daughters case but they said they couldn’t do that & at that time anyone of them could have walked right by me & I wouldn’t have known it because I never seen them personally. I went outside & made several phone calls to the agency trying to reach someone to let them know that I was there & wanted to talk to someone. I even called the intake worker but she was on Vacation but I left a message anyway telling her what I was doing . After all that I finally left & went to my clients house to check on him since I left earlier to go to court & I received 1 phone call from someone at the agency telling me that there was a hearing that day & a new case worker VICKY CARTER was assigned to the case & that the Judge made a decission on the case & that I would have to contact the new case worker for any further information. I tried for DAYS leaving her Many messages as well as the worker that originally called me back . No RESPONSE from ANY ONE!! I left messages stating that I had the girls & that Monday April 14,2008 I was taking them to school to be checked & hopefully permitted to stay if Not I had Power of Attorney from my daughter allowing me to provide for there educational needs & I was going to enroll them into the school District that I lived in & they would be going to school with my Grandson that lives with me. Monday morning at 10:00 a.m is when this Whole Nightmare began! Vicky Carter called me & asked me if I had both Girls & I told her yes I did & she would have known that by my messages & that I was getting ready to take them to there school to be checked & she told me to bring the girls into the agency because she was the new worker on the case & she needed to see the girls face to face & I argued with her at first telling her that I had to get them to school to be checked & I told the nurse I would be there by 11:00 that moning & that I would bring them after school & she told me I had 2 hrs. to get them there or she would send the Police to get them. so Not to Cause any harm or mental cruelty to the girls I complied with her & took them there & when I did she told me that she was taking them into custody & placing them in Foster Care. My Heart Dropped, tears began to flow everywhere The girls clinging to me crying not to leave them. I was so LOST & NEVER felt so Helpless in my Life. I promise them that everything would be ok & that I would go talk to the JUDGE & I would get them out of there! To this day I have NOT stopped trying. Every single day I look up resources , laws, things I can do, my daughters can do. And like a Dumb Ass I helped the case worker with finding the fathers, & needed information. I was trying to be nice so they wouldn’t go against us. And helpful to get the girls out as soon as possible.The case worker got fed up with me Fast because I called every single day sometimes several times a day wanting answers. The main one being WHY SHE TRICKED ME INTO BRINGING THEM THERE & WHY SHE DIDN’T ALLOW ME TO KEEP THEM ESPECIALLY WHEN I HAVE LEGAL CUSTODY OF THE BROTHER TO ONE. ITS ONLY BEEN 2 YEARS SINCE I WAS GRANTED LEGAL CUSTODY. i HAVE 2 XTRA BEDROOMS A VERY BIG HOUSE & YARD MY HUSBAND & I BOTH WORK & WE HAVE A STRONG BOND WITH OUR GRAND DAUGHTERS. I could never get an answer.She would just say that this is a Process & I have to be patient & wait & that still was NOT good enough for me. I wanted to know WHY she didnt leave them in my care & that when we went through this before with my other daughters kids they were placed with us immediately while we went through the Process. So we didn’t care then about the timing or how long things were taking back then because the kids were with us “Family Members” U know “the Children’s Best Interest”! That is so NOT TRUE! WE thought that family members were always asked first before putting kids into custody? The first court papers that my daughters received about placement stated that there were NO KNOWN RELATIVES ABLE & OR WILLING TO CARE FOR THE CHILDREN. THEY WERE ALREADY WITH ME SO THATS A PROVEN BOLD FACE LIE.wE TRIED TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT & WE WERE TOD THEY HAD TO WORD IT LIKE THAT & THAT WAS PROCEDURE. I made them do my finger printing that day & they came out the next day to do my home study. It took us 3 weeks to see the girls for the first time after they were taken & it took the Foster mom to get the visit to take place because I guess she knew it wasn’t right. She told the foster mom to limit the calls & only 1 call to the mother &(guardian). She didnt think that was right so she told her she let them call 2 x’s a day & put them on a time limit. We have been to court 3 times now & of course they Lied to the Judge, left out important information the judge should know . If someone like me were to Lie on the stand it would be purgery. Why can’t they be held countable for that? The judge asked them was a Homestudy done on me & they told her it wasn’t complete. Complete? They looked over my house which by the way was Perfect & they couldn’t tell me ONE thing I would need to do or change. My BCI report was mailed back to them On May5th & if I wouldnt have taken it upon myself to call BCI I still wouldn’t know it was back. I had to do this for my Job as well so they gave me the phone # to call & told me no way it was taking this long even with them being backed up. I had to do the “challenge & review” as well & at our last hearing we were told that when my Challenge review comes back we would have a hearing within 10 days for temp. custody & we would schedule a hearing on my case at a latter time so everyone could be served. Everyone was served for the temp. custody thats why it was allowed to take place but one of the fathers wasnt served for my custody case. In the mean time I was afraid I wouldnt be allowed in the court room & was told to file a Pro SE packet & that would make me a Party to the case so I did. This pissed the case worker off as well.My challenge & review has been back for 3 weeks & I cant get Anyone to get us OUR Hearing we were Promised to have within 10 days.My custody hearing is Sept.22,2008 & I really wanted to be back in that court room before then, but they are withholding my file & taking there time to do EVERYTHING! The case worker & others I believe are Sabatosing our family!I dont have to tell you about all the Lies,missing paper work, workers not showing up so there not put on stand & NEVER RETURNS OUR CALLS. We are not the only ones having problems with her either. The Foster Parent has problems getting ahold of her & even had to get her supervisors phone # from me because she is Familiar with my Research & calls & trying to get girls out & knew I would have the #. The Guardian Ad Litem doesnt get along with her either & she never returns her calls or e.mails What gets me is the fact that these people ALL know what shes about & how she is treating us so WHY cant they speak up & get something done? Or can they? The GAL has highly recommended me for placement.All involved have agreed to let the girls be placed with me temporarily while they work on there case plans. The SW keeps trying to talk my daughters into keeping them in Foster Care while they work on there case plans instead of placing them with me. The Lawyers aren’t doing anything to help.We havent even been able to contact the one since the last hearing on July9 & the other one is never in or when I do get in touch with her she tells me she cant do Anthing unless she hears from my daughter about it & that is BULLSHIT too. She knows were all in this together & that my daughter doesnt know what to ask her to do & i do but she doesnt return her calls & now it ALL makes sense why! I want so bad to prepare that “Memorandum of Points and Authorities”, paper work & take it to her & see her face! We even believe that the Judge is siding with the SW & judging us on past issues & not looking at the good we have done & the Loving close family that we are. The ONLY hopes I had was that 10 day hearing that was promised to us & we cant seem to get. Through my research everyday I prayed that I would come across the needed information for me to do Something & feel ome kind of relief & when I stumbled across this site I had a gut feeling that this was the one ive waited for for 5 months.SO IS IT TOO LATE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING NOW? FALSE INFORMATION WRITTEN BY CPS, signatures, due process, appeals, etc..Most people dont have any reason to search the laws, rights, How Too’s on Custody..until something like this happens to them & if they have a public defender they are relying on there help & dont know any better so I PRAY you can still help me. I will work on it 24/7 if I have too to make sure it gets done. I want good news this next hearing!.. One more thing I just remembered,the day after girls were taken I emailed the judges explaining what happened & how we feel CPS did us WRONG & what we can do & told them I would keep sending the same e.mail until someone answers me so they did & one told me who to call at CPS to file a complaint so I did this back in April & several times afterwards & we still have Not heard anything about it. So what do you do when you feel like EVERYONE in the agency is against you & they are all covering shit up for each other. Also I SWORE that even if & when girls are released from Foster Care I am going to continue the fight against CPS. ……….PLEASE TELL ME STEP BY STEP WHAT I CAN DO AT THIS POINT, PAPERS I need TO FILE , laws,rights, appeals, due process anything & everything I basicly explained the WHOLE CASE to you so you know where we stand. Thank-YOU sooooooooo Much & again I deeply appologize for the Very long message but I needed it to be written down & Heard! .Christine H.

Comment by Christine H. — September 6, 2008 @ 1:08 am

RE:……. Dayton,Ohio Grandmother… Remember I only have 2 weeks left to do whatever I can at this point. I have asked several people How I can get the Judge to hear our side of the story & get written documents to her but NO ONE could tell me anything! There not allowed to advise me & or I filed Pro Se so I am my own Lawyer now. PLEASE ANYONE what can we do at this point??? Thank-You .. Christine H.

Comment by Christine H. — September 6, 2008 @ 1:14 am

I not only am fighting CPS, but a judge and a GAL. Check out my web site at http://www.abusedswan.com. This site is for noncustodial mothers. My children live with my abuser in Montcalm county in Michigan, the same county Nicholas Braman lived in. Go to new on my web site to find out more about Nicholases story. I am adding a link from my web site to yours. If you wish that I do not email me and let me know. Thanks Legal Domestic Specialist for Woman, Deanna Kloostra

Comment by Deanna Kloostra — September 6, 2008 @ 1:33 am

Sorry that is Legal Domestic Abuse Specialist for Women.

Comment by Deanna Kloostra — September 6, 2008 @ 1:33 am

I have a couple Question for EVERYONE! Why isn’t something being done about All this stuff? How do we go about getting something done? Who can we tell? Who can we get to look at All the information, facts, statistics, faults, illegal Bull crap going on & HOW MAKE A CHANGE? I am so hooked on this case concerning my granddaughters that I want to make a difference & I would like to get “Something” started here but I am not sure What I can do. Can anyone advise me, Please. What would happen if EVERYONE that has been put through the ringer of CPS & Juvenile Courts , Public Defenders etc. would show up on the Front Lawn of the white House? Who can get us the help we need ? citygirl_23_2000-@-yahoo.com … Christine H.

Comment by Christine H. — September 6, 2008 @ 10:23 am

I used to have custody of my children I never had problems when I had them but my exhusband and his family would bully me I been divorce for 16 years and for 16 years I have been bullied and threathen by my exhusband and his family that family did a lot of mean stuff to me you could imagen but in 2005 my exhusband died and the Judge told that evil family they can adopt my children and she would help them the Judge DHS ,county attorney,attorney general,casa,guardian of litem, my children theripst was friends of my evil exinlaws, all went to my exhusband funeral I wasn’t allowed to go kind of fishy and the courts had knowledge that the stuff my exinlaws has done to me they always had strings pulled in the courts but here is a list of what happen when my exhusband got custody ( by the way my exinlaws would come to my door with a cam corder filming me when I open the door when my exhusband would come for my hids he had to have a family member with him they even went as far as goinh to my low housing asking for my files and low houing wouldn’t give them my files so they made a scene like they always do they keep calling low housing on me low houing knew it was them low houing told me that it just went into one ear and out the other ear because low housing knew they where causing problems for me anyway here are the things that happen when my exhusband had custody and yet cps knew all this1.when my daughter was in ele matery school she told her teacher that she was going to kill herself with a key because her dad was mean to her when he found out he slam her against the locker saying he was going to hurt her,when my son was in junioe high he threathen to bring a gun to school then when my son got to high school he brought to school then my son told me he sits in the dark he gets depress and also my son told me he feels like running alway my son got caught staggering down the street talking about the devil a neighbor told this to my evil exhusband and my exhusband had a neighbor gal and guy watching my children my daughter told me the guy would rub her back then he would rub her butt and my exhusband who he was freinds with watching my children he would have my children watching pornos and my daughter told me about that she wanted to suck men dicks she was about 7 or 8 or 9 at the time my children live in a 2 bedrooms roach infested trailor with no food my exhusband would have neighbors feeding my kids my exhusband was never home bottles all through out the trailor wires all over the placehaving my children playing in tehdumpsters and playing in the dirt my essister inlaws would always yell at my childre one time my daughter wanted a cookie my exinlaws got mad and threw a cookie at my daughter hitting my daughter in the face and one time my exinlaws threathen to slam the window down on my daughter and all of this is suppose to be ok now that they got my dhildren she brainwashed my children against me they are 16 and 19 I was accused of having my children going to the flea marker and having them put dirt on their faces and panhandle or stealing food or having my children diving in dumpsters whatever my exhusband had my children at his place he would say that i did it and at the time I had a large house first time I ever had a house a 3 bedroom2 bathroom large frontroom large dinning room large kitchen small basement large garage evn though i didn’t own a car I live in a quiet neighborhood on a deadend street by the woods 4 houses from the woods with lots of trees by a small creek since I din’t get my children back I had to move into a 1 bedroom apt I had to store my children in storage I can’t get rid of their things they have their clothes and toys in storage and their bikes skateboards scooters etc I can’t part from themher dollies his matchbox cars its like saying goodbye I can’t do it when my son turn 18 I met him on his birthday I gave him some money that night my exinlaws called the police on me the police came but the police couldn’t do nothing because he is of age my exinlaws where mad so they went to attorney general county attorney who they got wrapped arounf their fingers and they charge me for harrassment 3rd degree and they arrested me put me in jail for 2 weeks the judge put a 5 year no contact order on me against my son now when my daughter turns 18 they are goingh to do the same thinganother judge the evil one already put a nocontact order on my daughter because she is juvenile at my son graduation primary care went with me to see my son graduate myexinlaws made a scene again the minute I got there they had the police try to remove me I got a judge signing that I could go but i had to sit somewhere so that my son won/t see me I had the papera with me sigh by the 5 districts judge the cops said they didn’;t care so we went into thelobby try to call my laywer which I coulnt get ahold of primary care had my papers showing it to the police the police said it doesn’t show the date primary care said look down futher it shows the date my exinlaws was trying to snatch the papers out of primary care hands saying let them see it primary care wouln’t give my exinlaws the papers so I got to stay and my exinlas where mad they had to make another sence I wasn’t alllowed dfor my son to see me so 2 of the primary care workers and me went up in the balancy after graduation my exinlaws came up to by where I was at and when the graduates where going under the baloncey it was held at vets autotoriom my exinlaws stood not to far from me calling up to my son and my son look up and he saw me. My exinlaws called my family before graduation telling my mom if I go to my so graduation that they where going to have me arrested that the family is going to be scatteered all over with bincolors on me then they show up at my work then they had my son call county attorney saying he didn’t want me at at graduation how would he have know if they didn’t tell them that really I haven’t seen my children since 2006. see what I have to go thru and the courts and dhs etc know all this this is bullshit.

Comment by Terri Rote — September 6, 2008 @ 10:43 am

Christine H., We are doing somrthing about it. There are many orginations committed to changing this corrupt system of DHS. Unfortunately, the average person believes that they are here to help children, until they meet them personally. I was one of many. I make it a point to warn people and speak of the evil intentions of DHS/DCFS every day and every open opportunity. It’s been almost three years since I learned the truth of their corruptness. I brought my children home after ten months of dealing with them. I stopped playing their games. The best way to fight them is to spread the knowledge that they are corrupt and do not care about children or families. Never forget. I never will. Warn everyone. They do more damage than they do good.

Comment by daaronad — September 6, 2008 @ 10:49 pm

Christine H:

Did you go to the page on:

http://www.familyrights.us

Many of us have been active against CPS for years. MY DEAR, THIS IS AN INDUSTRY WHICH EMPLOYS PROBABLY CLOSE TO A MILLION PEOPLE.

I would like to remind everyone that if you wish to contact someone in your state you can go to the site:

http://www.familyrights.us

Under Contents on Home Page

Then to MEMBERS AND FRIENDS ON NEXT PAGE.

From there, select your state or territory.

There are folks within your state where you can network and talk and maybe even spread the word about CPS malfeasance.

Everyone with children should realize that you can be targeted.

Again, these are JOBS. Attorney jobs, caseworker jobs, social worker jobs, clerical etc.

This is an INDUSTRY. In the US, there are currently .5M children living in FOSTER CARE.

Many of us are working to reform this misguided system, which spends mucho bucks, and gets few results.

But the folks in the states can give you advice.

Advice you can take to an attorney, and possibly educate them, too.

But remember attorneys FEED OFF THE SYSTEM, TOO.

And curiously, many folk have commented that CPS takes children from parents who are defenseless, uneducated, and unaware.

The true child abuser knows how to scam the system. Which is why CPS is so backwards.

I hope you will work within Ohio to spread the word about the harm that CSB can perpetuate.

Know your rights—because if you don’t CPS will seize your children. You see, they need to meet THEIR QUOTAS.

And to parents–please don’t hook up with abusive folks and don’t drug.

You only get a limited number of years to raise your children.

Best. F.

Comment by Fern — September 7, 2008 @ 5:01 am

Very sad news…I just heard that Minister Ron Smith passed away Sept. 5th from a massive heart attack. He was the ultimate fighter for our cause. I had the pleasure of meeting him last year at the 1st Family Rights Rally in DC. It was an honor to have met him and our thoughts and prayers need to be with his family during this difficult time.

Comment by Susan — September 7, 2008 @ 6:14 am

He was an amazing man and helped out a lot of people. He will be missed tremendously. He fought for not just equal parenting, but for other causes dealing with family issues. He encouraged me plenty, in the fight to get my children back from CPS. He never judged, just listened and offered advice. Please pray for his family in their time of need. Lets keep his legacy alive!!!!

Comment by Kandice Cantrell — September 7, 2008 @ 9:43 am

Please go to http://cnbpinc.ning.com/ to get updated information on Ron Smith. That is an excellent website that he founded. May his legacy live on!

Comment by Susan — September 7, 2008 @ 7:31 pm

We are adoptive parents. We have adopted a medical needs baby, her name was Claire and she lived for seven years - I still miss her very much.
We have a son we adopted at birth. He is bright, well-adjusted and well liked by many people.

Then there is the younger son - we got him when he was almost 5 ys old. We were naive. We thought that we could love him into being a happy kid.

We were wrong. He came with no diagnoses and we found out the hard way that he had major mental health issues.

He lies, cheats, hits,and generally makes life miserable. Our marriage is damaged from him and the CPS fiasco.

We struggled for a year to get a therapist for him and then that turned into a day that I will never forget. I don’t know if this therapist has ever caused anyone to commit suicide, but she really upset me.

Then the psycho CPS worker came and accused me of being emotionally unstable, physically, emotionally, verbally and spiritually abusive.

We have a prayer table and some religous art. We are Catholic and evidently that isn’t acceptable.

We were fortunate that we had some very good witnesses that came to court for us. His pediatrician, his teacher, our neighbors, our older son’s birth mom and her mom, my mom, and some friends who have been in Bible studies with me who could testify about my faith life.

It has been over two years and we are free for now - although the son with the problems threatened “the next time I am in court, I will tell the judge….”

We told him that there was no next time. They take him next time and that is the end. He seemed very bummed out by this. He is only 8 years old.

He lied to the psycho worker and she thought he was honest. Ha! One knows he is lying because his lips are moving. He lies about obvious and blatant truths - but it doesn’t matter. He seems to like it.

We just plug on and pray a lot and I keep trying to put this crap behind me, but the abuse of me was just too awful and no one really seems to understand.

Thanks for being here.

Comment by Denise — September 7, 2008 @ 9:03 pm

have a question. As you all know my appeal over the phone is Wednesday but here is my question. Do parents ever win these things? I do know the judge suggested settlement and then I find out from DHS in Des Moines that it means to say the report is founded and then they will take you off the list I then find out most times the parent is not removed from the list. I know for me I refuse to settle because I did not do what is in report. Thanks guys for all your prayers and support

Comment by Kathy Risinger — September 8, 2008 @ 9:55 am

Sorry for all the questions. I just need to learn what I am up against. Has anyone here had friends and family turn on them due to the false accusations from DHS? People that used to be my friends said they loved me are rallying around the ex husband and treating me like trash. I did not know if this was normal.

Comment by Kathy Risinger — September 8, 2008 @ 7:52 pm

To Denise
You must realize that DHS/DCFS is not interested in helping families and children as much as they are interested in helping themselves. It rolls down to the worker, starting from the top. There position is/was considered highly respectable, because they are/ were thought to be the saviors of children in dire need. It’s obvious that that has went straight to their heads. Not all of them, but they are taught that and in their teachings they are not given the emotional effects that it has on parents or children. What they are given is quite the opposite. Many of them quit the job, due to contraversy. Some of them go along for the ride, even though they know it is wrong. And even more of them, the ones who are looking for promotions and enjoy the feeling of power, take advantage, lie, coerce, etc.
I am not a supporter of adoption through DHS/DCFS. They tell the adoptive parents one thing and you believe them. You use that to justify saying that you have met the parents and you did the right thing by adopting their child away from them. Now, you only see part of the truth and you hear even less of the truth within DHS/DCFS. What happens when they turn on you? You thought that you were making a good example by being an adoptive parent? DHS/DCFS doesn’t care. Whatever it takes to get the funding. An adoptive parent is no different than the natural parent to them. If someone makes an accusation against you, founded or unfounded, it’s an excuse to to justify their job.
With adoptive and foster parents, the accusation usually comes from the non-biological child. What that means , in many cases, is that ALL the children are taken, whether temporary or longer. Now, you are on DHS registry as an offender. That can not be removed. Even if it is cleared through court or through DHS/DCFS. The allegation was made. That not only follows you, it follows all the family members in the household. It is on record and no court can make it go away. Don’t believe the lies that DHS/DCFS tells you. They are a corporation. They follow the money. Trust in your own principles. They have to justify their jobs in order to get paid. Does a biological parent, foster parent or adoptive parent need that incentive? If they do, they need to stop listening to DHS/DCFS.

Comment by daaronad — September 8, 2008 @ 8:54 pm

To Denise,
I needed to rant a bit. My advice is to stick to your guns. If he is out of control, you will have to go through a trial and error period to understand how to get through to him. There is no simple answer. It takes time and committment. You took him in as your own child . You made a committment to him. Please, do not let him go. Get him the help that he needs, but stay with him. The last thing he needs is to be given over to another family. It will further his confusion. He needs to be shown that you are there for him, no matter what. If you can’t do that, no offense intended…just my advice, you shouldn’t ever adopt another child.

Comment by daaronad — September 8, 2008 @ 9:07 pm

Hello,
I have a question a friend just had a newborn and the baby has colic. It got to her and she started yelling back and a neighbor called the police. And now cps is involved telling them that they are going to take the baby from the both of them. she was arrested and now has a lawyer, but its for her not the baby. What should they do can cps take the baby from him when she is not in the house?

Comment by Nick — September 8, 2008 @ 10:16 pm

Hi Kathy, My mother’s female ‘partner’ totally LIED about us to DHS purely out of spite. She has turned my own mother against me, her ONLY child. They have custody of all 3 of our children thanks to the Beast’s lies & hearsay, which DHS believed. Our caseworker was a lesbian & is friends with my mother & ‘beast’. Now my children are alienated from my husband & I who only get to see them once a week for 2 hours. The ‘beast’ controls EVERY aspect of their lives & my mother’s. It is very similar to cult members being brainwashed. Honestly, I’d rather be beaten by a drunk man every day than have to deal with a control freak!
Good luck to you in your situation. Also, they have turned their friends & some of my family members totally against us. This really sucks, but in the end, I wouldn’t want their karma!

Comment by Susan — September 9, 2008 @ 6:38 am

Denise:

Kids do not come with guarantees and NO ,you generally cannot return them like defective merchandise.

You certain sound as if you were ill treated by the caseworker, but Daaaron has laid out the situation from the point of view of the caseworkers.

If there are NO PROBLEMS, this industry does NOT have employment.

And boys do act out more than girls.

Suggest you join a support group for those who have similar problems.

Sorry to sound harsh or jocular, but parenting is the most difficult job many of us undertake.

Besides, where are caseworkers gonna work if there are no open slots? ( JOKE)

Comment by fern — September 9, 2008 @ 9:27 am

I am here because last week I had a CPS person come and tell me that there were allagations of child neglect against me. I am a young mother of 4 unmarried and doing the best I can. My oldest 2 are in school they go to school and make good grades have no disapline problems at school or at home. My younger 2 are both good happy lil boys. All attend a local daycare while I work and attend college. I pay my rent we have had a stable home for 5 years and they have food and clothes.. The accusations that were made mainly said that I had dirty diapers everywhere(but she could find none) and that I had dog feces all over my home. (again I have two dogs neither of which are in my home.) and that I had sewage in my home not true.. Anyways she found nothing wrong but still insists on comeing back into my home again. Is there any way for me to tell her that this is done since she found absolutly nothing (in her own words). Why should I have to submit my children to this one is highly emotinal and I don’t want them to think they are being taken. Also if a complaint is made about my home and there is nothing wrong with it. Do i legally have to let her speak to my kids? Not that I am hiding anything but I do not think it is nessecary. Do you

Comment by sylvia — September 9, 2008 @ 9:53 am

continue my story I forgot i left out that my son shop lifted while he lived with his dad like i said before when I had my children I never had problems with my children but ever since my exhusband had custody of my children I made a list of the bad things that happen in his care and that DHS knew all this. my exhusband brought his sister to my door with him he told his sister to hit me he said hit her hit her I tried to close the door but the fat bitch busted her way in my place and started hitting me when my exhusband had my children my children would call me his family would get on the phone and listen to our conversation or they would tape recored me. i would be on the streets walking and his family would take pictures of me and try to use it in court my exhusband and his family would sit in front of where I lived at. My exinlaws called the police on my boyfriend they would be sitting in their car and call the police on my boyfriend and lie and make up stuff and have my boyfriend arrested.and was sent to jail.. My exinlaws will not hestitate to put me in jail they make up stuff and gets me arrested they even come to my work i work at McDonalds and that isn’t the only McDonalds in DesMoines .Everytime I see a police I am afraid that I will get arrested again my exinlaws make up shit all the time and they get away with it. the courts always go on their side My exhusband at one time called my apt mgr asking questions about me the apt mngr wouldn’t give him any answers when he was alive.My exsisterinlaws husband left her for another women many years ago and I bet they put her exhusband thru hell anybody who divorces that family yu are going to be put thru hell.My exinlaws are very evil and hateful and spitful people.

Comment by Terri Rote — September 9, 2008 @ 1:15 pm

These Judges here in DesMoines should be impeached These Judges took oath under the constition and yet they go against constitional rights their decision should be voided it is treason and county attorney and attorney general is covering up from the courts these Judges are making up their own rules instead of congress I am being ingored because I’m poor what these Judges done to me is crooked Several other people that I talk to had the same Judge she did the same thing to them her name is Constance Cohen and Judge Linda Reade and the other Judge in room 102 the old man I don’t remember his name . Do you know that bribery can be taken by body laungage Judges make certain body lanugage to mean that they will take bribe I went to Drake law library to study to be my own laywer you have to really watch thebody langage between judges and laywers and attorney general and county attorney also do you know that Judges and laywers takes vacations togther Judges proscuseter county attorney attorney general they are all friends they take vacations together.Also Iowa Supreme courts are very crooked also they violated a partental rights they also take oath and they still go against oath.

Comment by Terri Rote — September 9, 2008 @ 1:26 pm

Michiganders must read

Libertarian Bill Parker to Run For Cass County Sheriff

Please come and support Bill Parker September 8th, 2008 as he will be
giving an introduction of his platform at the Advisory Committee of
Calvin Township located at 18727 Mount Zion Rd. Cassopolis, MI 49031.
The time is 6-8 pm. Bill will be there about 5:30 pm. The General
Election is Nov 4.
Quote from Bill Parker: Sheriff Underwood is Opposed for the General
Election
2008-08-19

From a Cass County Citizen:A little history about Cass County
aka `Cash County: Cass County has been sued, complained upon and
labeled as unjust because every election period the same individuals
get elected and nothing changes.
Cass county profits enormously off of exploiting parents in their
family court system. Cass County CPS has 2.2-4 times more removals of
children than any other county in Michigan. Cass County exploits
fathers and mother in the FOC by being unreasonable and currently
there is no one to address Cass County’s concerns too.
Bill Parker will set up a citizen complaint board, due away with
needless spending and he will support justice!!
Please support Bill Parker and if you can’t show up at the meeting
SHOW UP TO VOTE NOVEMBER 4TH!!!!
Show Cass County: WE ARE MAD AS HELL AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT
ANYMORE!!!!! !!!!

Comment by Diando — September 9, 2008 @ 1:48 pm

You can’t trust the system or the agencies because they work together to destroy families not to unify them. I am a perfect example of a falsely wrong doing because of acs and the agency. I had 2 children in the system, I was on drugs, got clean had a baby in treatment, did what I had to do, complied with the court order before the time limit was up and I ended up with getting 1 child back an the other stolen from me because I was forced and intimidated and threaatened to sign my parental rights for one of my children if I didn’t I was not getting either one!! Now you tell me if an injustice was not done to me, there was alot of false accusations, missisng pages in reports and not enough straight answers and alot of threats and intimidation comming at me. Mostly lies, all lies to make me look like a monster. Until this day I haven’t seen my child since x-mas 2000 I have to secretly speak to him when the parent isn’t around, which has not been much and letters have been sent back to me I hace tried to reach out but the foster mother blocks me and keeps him away from me. I have some contact only over the phone if I’m lucky. Get this it is an open adoption!! I will not give up hope that I will see him once again, I know because of my faith in od and my son told me so.

Keeping the hope alive.

Comment by Lucy D. Rodriguez-Rios — September 9, 2008 @ 5:36 pm

You’re totally right on about the judges Terri! The family court dishonorable judge Marshall is rumored to be having an affair with her female DA. They own a home together in the mountains. The persecuting attorney here is very prominent in the Democratic Party, therefore corrupting the politics in this hellhole town even more. Why can’t somebody investigate all this bullcrap?

Comment by Susan — September 9, 2008 @ 7:04 pm

Sylvia, stop talking to DHS. They want you to invite them into your home so they can find a reason to get involved. Speak nicely to them and tell them that they are wasting their time. Do not allow them into your home and do not give them any information. Do not believe what they say and not try to make them believe you. It’s a waste of words. Simply, say something like “thank you for your concern, but someone has caused you to waste your time.” Do not get into any further conversation with them. Smile, say good day, or whatever, and close the door. If they bring the police with them, ignore the police. If there was an issue that required the police, they would have a warrant. If the police is with DHS, it is simply for intimidation. DHS uses this method, often. Be polite and blunt. Close the door. The police officer knows that he has no right to continue with the harrassment. He/she will not will not persist. Without police support, the DHS worker will not continue. Most likely. Stand your ground, politely and let them make the mistakes. You have no obligation to let them into your home without a warrant. Do not let them talk you into it.

Comment by daaronad — September 9, 2008 @ 7:39 pm

Sylvia, No, you have no obligation to let them talk to your children. They have to have some type of authorization to talk to your children. You have the right to not allow them to do so. However, many schools allow them to talk to your children at school, without notification. Unless you spefically let the school know not to allow it. Even then, they often allow it.

Comment by daaronad — September 9, 2008 @ 7:48 pm

In my case they just marched in the Newton CHristian school with out my knowledge until afterwards. I think they had my ex permission even though we have joint custody I am the primary, so did they break the law?

Comment by Kathy Risinger — September 10, 2008 @ 4:13 am

Darronad:

Excellent advice and reasoned information!

Thanks. F.

If folks have further concerns, I would suggest that they look through AFRA Website:

http://www.familyrights.us

Go under Site Contents, then click on “Members and Friends”

From there, go to your state. Leonard has arranged for state groups to be either at the top of page or on right.

These folks are NOT attorneys, for the most part.

They can give you info which is state-specific. If you need an attorney, call the Bar Assn and ask for Family Law specialists.

Some will go to court to you for around $250 ( depends on your state)

Family Law is emotional work; especially when the client is blameless.

I think there are some attorneys who are listed on AFRA.

Comment by fern — September 10, 2008 @ 5:32 am

up date:
We were to go to court this next week but I guess things were settled out of court. CPS said they would give my grandchildren back to the parents, if they comply with what they are asked of. Oct. 17, 2008 is when they said they would get the children back. I dont beleive CPS at all. I guess we can only pray that they do as they said.

Comment by seymour christina — September 10, 2008 @ 12:38 pm

Well had phone appeal and that was to set up main appeal June 23 2009. I spoke with attorney general as they are DHS attorney and they said as far as they were concerned my ex did not contradict his phone call and I guess it is alright ex gave her booze and smoked dope around her. They then tell me if I can give them proof I am innocent they want me to settle for a lesser charge to get my name off of the registry, and the lesser charge sounds just as horrible. So between now and June 23 I am going to collect evidence.

Comment by Kathy Risinger — September 10, 2008 @ 3:02 pm

I told her it is in black and white from his phone call to his interview he calls in one thing and says the total opposite then they tell me if they choose to take me off the list they need my ex approval to do so?

Comment by Kathy Risinger — September 10, 2008 @ 3:09 pm

I am so glad they have a web site on this I honestly thought I was going thru this alone-thanks

Comment by angila collingwood — September 10, 2008 @ 3:59 pm

In 2003, my 9yo son told a teacher that Daddy (his stepfather at the time, he was in the process of adopting him and his brother) had hit him in the back as he was going out the door for school that morning. I was at the school to talk to the teacher and the counselor about his lying and cheating at the time he came in and told her this. Long story short, they reported it, our stupid case worker - in spite of all the “evidence” - found it as ’substantiated abuse’ and ordered my husband to anger management classes, CPS would follow us, including unannounced visits for a year, and he could not adopt him and his brother until after they ‘cleared’ him. We refused, they took us to court, our adoption lawyer wound up being our lawyer for our defense, my son’s guardian ad lidem testified in our favor, my son himself testified that he was not abused, and by the Grace of God we won! Their requirements were overturned. Yeah!

My question is this: Is it still on record somewhere that my husband (officially their dad as of 3/04, and EVERYONE is happy) is a child abuser? Or did our win in court make that go away? We are working on relocating, and my husband has opportunities getting a civilian government job and would hate for this to come back and haunt him.

On another note, looking for prayers for my friend and her family since their almost 13yo son made a stupid remark in front of the wrong person (a social worker who happened to be in the group at a function they were at) that he is afraid that his dad is going to kill him because he beats him. (not true) He now regrets his comment, but an investigation has now commenced, and all of us here know that the truth doesn’t always set you free with the CPS.

Comment by Laura — September 10, 2008 @ 5:18 pm

I am writing one of our Iowa senators. I wonder if it would help us if we all who have been hurt by CPS or DHS write to our state senators about our cases. I would think if enough letters went out to our senators in each and every state they would listen, or I would hope they would.

Comment by Kathy Risinger — September 10, 2008 @ 6:44 pm

HI MY NAME IS SHANNON HYDE, I LIVE IN SALINAS CALIFORNIA AND I CURRENTLY HAVE AN ON GOING CPS CASE. I’M LOOKING FOR HELP IN REGARDS TO MY CASE MY RIGHTS AND MY CPS WORKER AND HOW IT IS HE IS NOT DOING HIS JOB ACCURATLY.. IF ANYONE COULD PLEASE HELP ME OR POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRRECTION I WOULD REALLY APPRECEIATE…THANK YOU SO MUCH..

Comment by shannonhyde — September 10, 2008 @ 10:01 pm

My Daughter was 3 mon. old when we took her to the hospital because something was wrong, and we didnt know what it was. The doctor comes in after her X-rays with a CPS investigator and a detective and took her immediatly into there custody and questioning/accusing us of child abuse. This was 6 almost 7 mon. ago. Since then they havent done any medical testing for any kind of bone diseases/disorders. They have given my fiance’ placement after 4 mon. of foster care (beause I was home alone with her a majority of the day). They have indicted me with felony child abuse charges. (I turned myself in almost 2 weeks ago) 25,000 unsecured bond. (We didnt have to pay anything). I get visitation with my daughter 2x a week 4 hours tuesday and 3 hours friday. I have shown nothing other than im a good loving mother, have done everything they asked, taking lie detector test (passed) psych eval (came out good) enrolled in there stupid parenting program. taking upon my self to take an online parenting class (they done actually offer real classes where I live) went to therepy, taking an infant/toddler saftey and development class (which I also did on my own) Not only did they take my daughter away from me, I can only see my finace’ the 2nd most important person in my life, the person i’ve needed to support me through these false claims. 2x a week. Please, if possible..I could use some help.

Comment by Sheila — September 10, 2008 @ 10:38 pm

I have three lovely, well, taken are of children, who excel at school and sports. They are in the first, second and fourth grades, respectively. They have all gone to the same elementary school for all of their lives. My husband and I are at ALL school events, parent /teacher conferences, field day, open school night, breakfast with Santa, etc. On Monday of this week a case worker from CPS showed up at our door and said she had a report that our children were dirty, our home was dirty, their was no food in the house, and my husband did drugs in front of the children. My husband had opened the door and was stunned at these allegations, also he had just been to the funeral of a close family member. He reacted in shock and told the women this was preposterous, and to leave the property. She told him that she knew where the children attended school and would go to the school. We live in very small, close knit town where everyone knows everyone. Fearing that my children would be humiliated. My husband said he would call her supervisor. After, the caseworker left, my husband thought about it calmly and decided that we would cooperate and have the matter resolved. We figured out that the allegation came from a local policeman who we had recently had a dispute with and had made a complaint about to a supervisor. This dispute happened when my husband and I were away for the weekend with our three youngest daughters to visit my oldest daughter in college. While we were gone my adult (22 year old son, was home, had friends over, and left the house a mess. We we came we found the police walking through our house having entered illegally when no one at all was home. it seems that my son had taken a 7 dollar taxi ride back to the area and didn’t pay the taxi fee. After my husband threw the police out of the house and threatened to call a supervisor, the police officer got mad. By the way, my husband paid the taxi what was owed. Subsequently, the officer retaliated by calling child protective services. Now after this caseworker comes by Monday afternoon, and tells my husband of the allegations, we call her 8:00am Tuesday morning and leave a message on her voice mail that he apologizes for his initial reaction having just had a death in the family, but that we’d like to meet with her to resolve these false accusations. She calls back two times, one immediately after the next and says she been trying to reach us ( she got voice mail , just like we did). The next morning, Wednesday, My husband call her again and tells her since he will be out of town on business ( we own a building up state and he was going up to so work on it) that we would be glad to meet with her next week. The same day, instead of returning our call she heads up to the school, where the girls are pulled out of class, and in front of the principal she tells the girls she got a report that our house is dirty, the kitchen’s dirty, and their clothes are dirty. She asks they if their mother works, their father works, did he go to work today, and if their father ever leaves the area to work. To which my fourth grade daughter replies, no the house is not dirty, my mom does laundry everyday, we had lasangna for dinner, yes my dad goes to work to build houses up state, and yes he went to work today. The caseworker also asks if mom and dad fight and if dad gets angry, eventhough there were no allegations of violence. My daughters tell her that we don’t and when we do some thing wrong, my dad just talks to us about it. This worker deliberately came up to the school thinking she could catch the child and substantiate the allegations. She went on a fishing expedition about my husband and I fighting , eventhough that wasn’t even a claim. She also tried to “catch” my husband in what she thought was a lie about working up state. While all of this was taking place, teacher’s, school personnel, the school psychologist were all in the outer office gossiping about it. The Principal got to hear all the details of these made up allegations. The children were humiliated and our reputation in this small town had been tarnished. Immediately called the supervisor and said why would the caseworker go up to the school less then 48 after contacting us when we called her two times to set up an appointment, especially, when these allegations were
not life threatening, or physically harmful in anyway. He just said that they could. After that I told him that we were planning on cooperating and that we would have given them access to the children’ school records, but that we will definitely not cooperate now. I also said, if there was any truth to these allegations (that the kids were dirty and there was no food in the house) don’t you think to school would have called you. I asked how can you undo the damage that you’ve done, the humiliation. After today, it was clear that this woman, didn’t want to objectively investigate child abuse, she was on a mission to dig for dirty and justify an abuse claim. We will not cooperate now and we are contacting a lawyer, but I’m worried about what damage this woman can do by abusing her power.

Comment by c.a. — September 10, 2008 @ 11:43 pm

I know the humilation is bad but it can get worse. They can take the kids on an allegation only.
Are you in NY? I ask because of the resferences to upstate.
Please do get an attorney immediately.
Maggie

Comment by MaggieC — September 11, 2008 @ 6:26 am

WOW did I hit a can of worms?!!!!! I had no idea just six short months ago that I would be caught up in such a web!
I am a grandmother of 7 children, 4 girls age 5 and under and two boys, the oldest 14. My three youngest granddaughters have been taken by cps. They were in my “temporary” custody until Monday, September 8th, 2008. On that day cps came to my home with the sheriff and took them. Now they are in fostercare with strangers and we have no idea who these people are and if they safe. The caseworker says they are doing well but they have lied to us about other things how can I trust them?
I have no real idea how to go about getting them back I just plan to make alot of noise. My daughter has been doing all she can to comply with cps requirements but I still am very suspicious of all that has happened so far and some of the horror stories I have read here.
My heart goes out to all who have posted here and the ones who haven’t found this site.
Cps is too powerful and go on day after day unchecked. Someone has to do something.
My name is LeAnn Addleman and I live in WI.

Comment by LeAnn Addleman — September 11, 2008 @ 8:46 am

i am so glad that there are other people that have had the unfortunate experience of social services “helping” their families too. THE MORE PEOPLE THAT KNOW THE INJUSTICE,……… THE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
does anyone know of any authors or other media outlet that would be interested in a story of the extremes that social services can do? i think that the whole social services system needs reconstructed.
just a little background about my case…..i have a ten year old that stays home for 2 hours after school alone. state of colorado county of boulder, charged me with child abuse. if i just plead guilty they will go easy on me…..HA! (WHAT A DEAL) no way! in colorado there is no age that a child can’t be left alone. i am a good parent and i made sure that he was safe with an after school plan completely written down for him on a sign in the kitchen. complete with instructions to call me immediatly when arriving home, and no turning on stove. i always left out a non-cooking required snack. do not answer the phone or door UNLESS it is mommy or your uncle. but when the police department knocks on the door and no one answers….do they have the right to knock on the windows and say through the windows “your mom told us to come get you, answer the door!”? then come in MY home and take MY child and say i left him in an “unsafe” environment. first of all the only thing “unsafe” about my son being home during that time…..IS THE LOCAL POLICE BANGING ON THE WINDOW!!!!!

now i have to deal with all the social services and all the programs that they think my family needs to survive as a productive household (their standards)! it has cost me more time and money than i could ever afford. being a single mom trying to juggle all the family dynamics is a struggle in itself! then you add the unneccesary hurdles that social services gives a family. it is impossible to balance.

if anyone has any comments or advice i would love to know that i am not alone in the fight to keep my family together fighting social services.
thanks
carrie
carrieisbelle@yahoo.com

Comment by carrie — September 11, 2008 @ 12:15 pm

Colorado is the most CORRUPT state for social services! There is NO justice here. I suggest if you have your kid(s) now & there is no abuse, MOVE. They are starting a witch hunt against your family. At least go to a safe state, or another county to get away from the Nazis. They are the most evil corrupt thing you will ever encounter. They destroyed my family.

Comment by Susan — September 11, 2008 @ 7:10 pm

Laura, from my research, I’m sad to say that once an allegation is made, it goes into the KIDDS file. Mind you, there is a differrence betwen civil and criminal. That is where the confusion begins. If a criminal allegation is made, and proved false, it is on the record. But, you can hire an attorney to have it removed. DHS is a civil issue. Once you are on their registry, it is there. However, as far as I know, it should not be available to a possible employer, unless you are looking for a job within DHS. I’m not sure about that, but I have not seen any cases when the accused parent felt repercussions, legally, due to false accusations.

Comment by daaronad — September 11, 2008 @ 8:43 pm

c.a, you’ve done the right thing by standing your ground. Many parents, myself included, believed that DHS was there to help children, and that they would listen to us and realize that they were led on a wild goose chase. The school is required to act according to the law. Yes, DHS coerces schools just as they do families. Give the school a pardon, even if you know they could’ve acted differently. It’s DHS that caused the problem. Once they are involved, they are after your children. The school is a compilation of parents and alumn, for the most part. They want to help and to be a part of raising the community. DHS is far from that. But, DHS is all about intimidation and coercion and lies. Stand your ground. The school officials are not new to DHS. They are new to parents getting tired of the abuse by DHS and doing something about it. Stand your ground.

Comment by daaronad — September 11, 2008 @ 9:11 pm

LeAnn Addleman, no one seems to listen until it happens to them or someone close to them. I was the same way. I used to hear people talk about DHS, but I thought that they were only talking that way because there must be more to it than meets the eye. Was I ever right. DHS is never wrong. Ask them, if you think otherwise. But, if you question them, be prepared to face the concequences. They take it personally. The children are forgotten and now they have a vendetta against you. They will commit perjury to ensure that they justify there actions. Make noise. Make much noise. Inform everyone. It’s the right thing to do. We cannot be silent and allow this to continue any longer. I speak, not only for my children, or their children, but for all the innocent families, present and in the future.

Comment by daaronad — September 11, 2008 @ 9:33 pm

carrie, I relate to your situation. I’ve been raising my children solo for over ten years. I thought I was doing well. Making good money, keeping them in daycare, school, etc. Working for the government. What did I have to worry about? I was ignorant. I was unaware of the sociopaths within DHS. I was an easy target for them. All it took was one allegation. I played their games and tried to jump through their hoops. But, I couldn’t fathom why they would not see my side of the “truth.” It took ten months for me to realize that they would not budge. My 15 year old daughter bieng raped twice while DHS refused to let them come home. My children seperated. Eleven homes in ten months for my oldest daughter. She ran away from 9 of them. DHS told me that until I complete their recomendations, my children will not come home. They cared nothing about my children. I talked to the supervisor, same thing. I brought my children home. I played their game long enough. I haven’t heard from them since. Do I have a lawsuit? Sure I do. But, It’s DHS that I’m up against. I’ll fight them in the best way that I can. Learning the law, learning why they get away with what they do, and informing others.

Comment by daaronad — September 11, 2008 @ 10:01 pm

Carrie:

You need to contact Christine in Colorado.

Check out:

http://www.profane-justice.org

This is the Web Home of Suzanne Shell of Colorado who has trained advocates in 11 states. Their links are noted on this site.

Christine acts as the person in Colorado who has been thru DHS and can give you some guidance.

Look under Advocates on Home page or Trained Family Advocates.

Please get back here if you have addtl questions.

Addtl states with trained advocates include:

HI ( Hawaii)

and some others whom I have omitted.

Best luck. Please communicate there first and then get listed on fightcps
Message Boards.

There is help, support and guidance within your OWN STATE.

Best. F.

Comment by Fern — September 12, 2008 @ 5:52 am

Donna Suzanne Ostrum-Strand-Shell is currently married to a Dennis Gene Shell, who is the epitome of a momma’s boy. Donna and Dennis live in his daddy’s trailer on a crappy chicken farm in Colorado. They still live with his parents.
Allegedly, Dennis sought greener pastures in the arms of another woman awhile back, and has allegedly kindled some more extramarital bonds just recently.

One William O. Tower of Sacramento California sued Donna Suzanne Shell for putting slanderous information about him on her website http://www.badadvocates.com. Interestingly, she claims that the site isn’t hers, even though it is registered in her name, and all email from the online forms goes to her own personal email account.

Donna is a graduate of the Coon Rapids High School. She got knocked up at age 17 which is the alleged reason for her father, a Mr. Donald Ostrum of Minnesota, punching her in the face. She was a high school cheerleader and alleged floozy.

Donna had two sons from her first marriage, which were the subjects of her involvement with Child Protective Services. While it is true that she got CPS off her back with her tactics of bullying, the boys deigned to reside with their father instead. Thus she allegedly never truly retained custody.

She not only allowed, but condoned, her new husband, Dennis Shell, an upholsterer, to beat her child Jacob with a martinet, which is a cat’o'nine tails. Allegedly this whipping left no marks, and resulted in an acquittal for Mr. Shell.

Since then, Ms. Shell has proclaimed herself to be the expert on how to deal with parents falsely accused of Child Abuse and Neglect. However, her longstanding ability to alienate others who refused to kowtow to her leadership has earned her relentless scorn and ridicule from usenet groups and other areas of the vast internet. Truth be told, her tactics of bullying lawyers guardian at litem (LGALs), CPS caseworkers, judges, and other officials, have only caused woe to her cases and clients rather than weal.

While other groups emerged to combat the false allegations of child abuse and neglect rampant in the United States, Ms. Shell has done everything within her power to discredit, disparage, and disenfranchise those people who worked hard to make a difference in their respective communities. Particularly those who disagreed with her.

Claiming to be a journalist, Ms. Shell, who actually does possess some published works of dubious quality, chose to create what would later be known as the “Bad Advocate List” (BAL). This BAL’s purpose was to slander and malign any of her competitors in the Child Protection Reform “Industry”. Despite most of her claims, very few of the people on her BAL actually charge any money for their advocacy/activism work. This BAL can be found at the same place mentioned above.

Ms. Shell then tangled with a man by the name of Billy Wiseman, who really is a journalist. His website may be found at http://www.thetruthistold.com.

Every single person on her Bad Advocate List had not been contacted by her prior to their inclusion on the list, to show their side of the story. Most of her allegations involve some sort of sexual impropriety, such as a California man being a child molester, a Michigan pastor having an affair, and an Illinois woman being a strip club dancer. Also, most of her BAL entries are men, as she has a victim complex and hates men.
To fully relay the details of this poor, sick woman would take as many pages as her huge book of dubious value, “Profane Justice”. Let it suffice to say that it shouldn’t take a judge long to realize what a scam artist she is, and rule accordingly. However, she is a force to be pitied, not feared, and her evil shenannigans under the auspices of Christianity should not be taken seriously.

Comment by bILLY wISEMAN — September 12, 2008 @ 11:18 am

By Jason Lee Miller - Wed, 04/25/2007 - 5:42pm.
One of the most bizarre Internet stories this year gets more bizarre. Internet Archive and Suzanne Shell have resolved their lawsuits against each other “amicably,” a word that follows words like “theft” and “racketeering” about as well as toothpaste follows orange juice. Next on her list: a 15-year-old Canadian jokester.
http://www.webpronews.com/tag/suzanne-shell

Comment by bILLY wISEMAN — September 12, 2008 @ 11:18 am

I am currently still battling the county of Laurens Department of Social Services,in regards to Rena Victoria Burdette,whom still remains in foster care with Mr.and Mrs.Taylor of Laurens County.There are alot of things in my life that i may have messesd up,but a bad mother I am not.They claim to be keeping my child because of failed drug screenings ,which I have more than proven to be my medications.Laurens county is grasping straws to keep my child from me and she has now after 5 mo

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