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Child Protective Services, CPS, has devastated and destroyed hundreds of thousands of families in America during the last thirty years leaving a trail of broken hearts, broken dreams, and shattered childhoods.
Rather than helping families, government agents have used unconstitutional laws in Juvenile Court to rip children away from their loving parents, break asunder God-given, natural, parent-child bonds, and adopt the children of the grieving out to others who profit financially with large monthly adoption subsidy payments.
Child Protective Services must be stopped! The law that started this, CAPTA, must be repealed. We must work tirelessly to inform the public of this very dangerous travesty of justice. We must keep faith knowing that if there is a God, there is an answer and a way to end this heartache.
Child Protective Services Agents - please come to your senses! Family destruction on false or trivial grounds is wrong, reprehensible, and inhumane.
Fosterers - be aware that for the money you get you are holding much-loved children away from their grieving families while the parents are forced to perform a service plan that is anything but a service to them. I call this hostage holding for the government. This is not kindness - to help misguided government agents destroy family relationships and break loving bonds.
CPS workers and fosterers - I ask that you now let the children of the innocent return to their homes where they are truly valued, adored, and loved by the parents God gave them.
Family rights are God-given rights. And they should not be ignored or postponed. Every moment these loving parents and children spend separated from one another is a torment beyond what anyone should ever have to bear.
It is unworthy of human dignity to allow this terrorism and torture of families to go on without saying something, speaking out, and trying to make a change.
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Good help for folks in some 11 states provided by:
http://www.profane-justice.org
Take a look under Advocates. From AK, AZ, CT, to WI and others.
Illinois residents: Meet with this group
http://www.familydefensecenter.net
Attorney-led. They are litigating a long-running lawsuit which can have implications FOR ALL, since it will tame CPS nationwide. If the USSC accepts for cert. ( certatiori)
Washington families have a site called
Washingtonfamiliesunited. Think it is a Yahoogroups list.
Indiana residents have:
http://www.honkforkids.org
Georgia have
Georgiafamilyrights They are hosted by Tripod, so I am not sending an exact link.
Head of this group is Dorothy. She has been helping families w DFACS iussues for years.
There are many groups extant. California has:
http://www.theacf.org
My only objective is to connect good parents who have been predated upon by CPS in their state.
Folks, you must indicate your state so folks can hook up with you.
Send in a false name. But give your state.
Also, additional help is available here by joining the Message Boards. You do have to register.
Linda has volunteered this wonderful site for years. Blessings to her.
Thanks, Linda. Many children and family owe a debt of gratitude to you.
Comment by Fern — May 1, 2008 @ 11:12 am
The following is a letter I wrote in 2006 to the Tucson Medical Center Hospital in response to a “How’d We Do?” survey. As you can see, I had a ‘run-in’ with a creepy social worker. I can assure you that it pays to keep your cool under stress and remain calm and most importantly, know EXACTLY who you’re dealing with. Never have a ‘casual conversation’ with social workers.
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My Experiences With the TMC Pediatric Ward
To Whom It May Concern:
My 14 month old daughter, Natalie, had suffered from diarrhea for four days in late March, 2006. The diarrhea ended, but then she began vomiting everything she ate and drank. By Sunday morning (April 2, 2006, I believe), I had to take her to the St. Joseph’s emergency room, because by then she was crying a lot, could not sleep and still could not drink, or eat. While there, she was given 750 ml of intravenous fluids in a 6 hr. period. The previous day, we had been very concerned about the possibility of her becoming dehydrated, but her pediatrician’s office did not have quite the same level of concern that we had. The nurses and doctors at St. Joseph’s doted over her and were very sympathetic. She was transferred and admitted to Tucson Medical Center, because St. Joseph’s does not have a pediatric ward.
The doctors and nurses met us when we arrived. Everyone was helpful and courteous. By this time, however, Natalie had ‘had enough’ and was loudly crying non-stop. The steel bar crib in her room was less than inviting. By that time, however, I don’t believe it would have mattered to her. She was too upset. She was miserable and wanted to go home. Her crying continued and she did not settle down at all that night. All attempts on my part to comfort her failed completely. I’m sorry to say that, while the doctors at TMC were wonderful and very empathetic, not all of the nursing staff had the same attitude. All of the nurses were technically skilled (very much so), but Natalie’s nurse (I believe her name was Stacey) struck me as being……..well………’quietly annoyed’ at Natalie’s non-stop loud crying. Perhaps, instead, she was annoyed at me for not being able to quiet her. It’s not that she was mean, or abusive, or anything, it’s just that it was plainly obvious that she had no children of her own. I don’t know what kind of behavior she expected of a 14 month old toddler who is away from home with an uncomfortable intravenous needle stuck in her restrained arm. At one point that night, I tried leaving the room for 10 minutes to see if it would help. I suspected that Natalie was especially upset about the fact that the one person she knew (me) wouldn’t take her home. I had hoped that with me out of the room, she would resign herself to the fact that she was there and that she’d settle down and maybe even slip into a deep sleep from shear exhaustion. That idea failed and when I returned to her room, I found her door closed and the TV in her room blaring. Someone had turned the TV volume up to the maximum setting in order to drown out her continuous crying. At least that’s what I concluded. Natalie finally got a little bit of sleep that night, when I tried cuddling her against my chest while sitting upright in a chair. I, on the other hand, got none.
The next day at around 1:00 PM, I decided to head home for a couple hours of rest (I had only gotten a grand total of about four hours sleep in the previous two days). Natalie was being taken for tests and she would be out of the room for a while, anyway. As the staff came to take her, a woman wearing street clothes also came in the room. She identified herself as a social worker and said, “The nurses said that Natalie was crying so much they thought that I should find out what’s going on with that family.” Being utterly exhausted at the time, I really didn’t appreciate being questioned by a complete stranger who wanted to know why my 14 month old daughter hated being in the hospital. She listened with a cynical smirk on her face as I forced myself to be polite and explained why Natalie was so upset. I have no doubt that she had one hand on her cell phone’s speed-dialer ready to call Child Protective Services if any of my answers didn’t meet with her approval. After I explained what would be obvious to anyone but her, she stated flatly that it was unusual for a toddler to cry so much in the hospital. She did, however, seem to back off and then left the room. I’m sorry, but I do not believe that the nurses sicced the social worker on me out of genuine concern for Natalie. Instead, I suspect that someone was getting back at me for not being able to quiet Natalie down the night before. When Natalie was discharged a couple of days later, I mentioned to a very empathetic Dr. Gillespie that Natalie cried all of the time she was there, unless I held her. He wasn’t surprised at all by that (contradicting what social worker had insisted). He went on to tell me that ‘half the kids really hate being there’.
The doctors at TMC were wonderful. Most of the nurses at the TMC Pediatric Ward were terrific. I am sad to say, however, that the lasting memories I’m stuck with, is that of the one annoyed nurse and the creepy social worker.
Sincerely,
Steven W. Langstroth
Comment by Steve Langstroth — May 1, 2008 @ 11:23 am
I am involved in an open case, the cps are trying to take my children away from me because my daughter had a bacterial infection and when they interviewed her she said i poked her with my finger. didnt say where or why, just that i poked her. she is 3. i took care of her and her 1 year old brother ( at time was 6 months), from 6 pm till bedtime. i cooked, cleaned, bathed, wiped, and did laundry, while mother was at work until 12 or 1 am. we have medical documents of the bacterial infection from another city we had just moved from. i was arrested ( though charges are dropped), forbode from having any contact with anyone. Now they wont even admit thier mistake, just try to cover it up by moving forward. my wife, tells me that they tell my daughter that i was a bad dad, that i did horrable things to her, and that i broke her down there. she also tells me that about 3 weeks after arrest ( i was still in jail) the cps took her to a doctor in naples, tx. the doctor diagnosed her with, surprise, surprise, a bacterial infection. the case worker at the last hearing boldly lied to the judge and told him they never took her to the doctor (which in some aspect is true because they didnt take her when she was interviewed). then procceded to lie some more and tell him i had only submitted to one drug screen( pee and hair test), though she knew i had taken two, and that it came back diluted. HOW DO YOU DILUTE A HAIR TEST? may 15 is my next court date and im hoping that i can get some kind of contact with my children. these people are truly corrupt. some one has to do something, i can only imagin how many other peoples lives they have destroyed for no good reasons. I will fight them till the day i die, i will do anything to shape up this organization.
Comment by Joel Albert — May 1, 2008 @ 2:55 pm
Our toll free line is 1 866-397-0705
Honkforkids@att.net
Comment by honkforkids — May 2, 2008 @ 2:23 am
who in the hell do you get to help fight these people? ive been fighting for my grandchildren for 2 1/2 years now . everything was fine untill i decided to move into a new town.now wait let me give you a little background here.i lived in Martinsburg wv. bad state if you are here get the hell out if you want to keep your children!any way the adoption was set for may 2 of this year, now mind you the girls have been with me for 2 1/2 years.the only reason for that was dhhr hasnt done all the home studies that need to be done before you can adopt. i have had 4 home finders on this case the last being rachael snider.Whom you cant get to answer her phone let alone call any one back.i have tried to reach this person for two weeks everyday with no response. so i called diane snell the adoption worker to let her know i was BUYING a house in bluefield wv even gave this woman the address. was told their wouldnt be a problem as long as i stayed in west virgina.and she knew where to find the girls,and when i was leaving. fine i gave her the address of the new house and told her i would be leaving the 5th of april. which i did. well guess what? there was a problem! or should i say is a problem within three days diane snell showed up here and took the girls. they claim i didnt let them know i was moving, i didnt allow rachael snider to do her home inspections, and i didnt have a job. i have a witness to the phone calls made to them about this move,and as far as rachael snider goes how can you speak to someone who doesnt return phone calls or at least answer her phone, and the job thing i own my own business. besides i lost my job in martinsburg in december of 07. that wasnt a problem when i was in martinsburg but all of a sudden its a problem now! go figure that one? I am now holding a new job besides the home business. i have a court date in july,but im not allowed to see the girls untill the judge says i can, you would think i hurt these girls in some way. all i did was move them to a new town that was cheaper to live. we dont even know if the girls are together they are 2 and 3 years of age.i was told all i could do at this time is file a grivance letter which i have done only it goes to the supervisors in the same department as these workers now how much of a chance do you think i have that this will be over turned? none! so you tell me how do you fight these fucking people?i cant aford to hire an attorney. they have made damn sure ive spent my entire savings fighting for them all ready. especilly now since i have went out and bought these girls a home.that no one could take away from them well i thought wrong dhhr prove that to be true they took their home away from them for no reason except i move the girls and they now have to do more paper work. which that havent done since this has all started. so where do i go now? if anyone has some answers for me please contact me at sassiedana@yahoo.com any and all help will be apporiated. for those of you who have the same battle let me know if there is anything i can do to help you ill be right there doing what ever i can to help! may god be with us all in our battles for our CHILDREN !!!!!! comment made by dana logan at sassiedana@yahoo.com
Comment by dana logan — May 3, 2008 @ 5:45 am
From: lisa
Date: 05 May 2008, 10:37 AM
—————– Bulletin Message —————–From: traceyDate: Apr 25, 2008 5:20 PMTHIS ISN’T A HOAX!!!! WHAT THIS IS, IS A TRUE STORY THAT NEEDS YOUR ATTENTION!!Please Copy and Past all of this message!!..
....This is Dakota and Saphire Logan. These two girls need you help. They are in state custody in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Dakota was 6 months old and Saphire was 2 days old when they were ripped away from their parents.The parents, after fighting the state for 9 months, decided to ask for help. Grandma stepped in. Grandma was given both girls in September of 2005 withough child support from the state. She went through six background cehcks, fingerprtints, Physicals, home inspections, foster parenting classes, job refrences, the apartment had to have all furniture before the children could come to live with her. Grandma has been back and forth to court for 2 1/2 years. The state has been playing lost of games, losing paperwork, waiting 6-8 months at a time to do a home inspection. They are just plain out not doing their job. The state keeps dragging their feet. Grandma has been having a hard time since Christmas of 2007. She lost her job 2 weeks before christmas. But she always seemed to be able to take care of us two girls. Bills were paid and we had food to eat. Even had christmas presnets under the tree. In March, Grandma got the adoption papers. We were finally going to be hers. We were finally going to have a permanet family that we could call our own. The adoption was set for May 2nd, 2008. With this in mind, Grandma started looking for a place to live for us two girls. A place that we could call home. A place for us to grow up in. Martinsburg was just to big; she wanted us to be raised in a hometown kind of place. Somewhere with amazing schools. She made all the calls that she needed to make to see if we could move. She was told there wasn’t a problem, we could go where ever we wanted as long as we stayed in West Virginia. The state only wanted to know where we would be going. So with the ok, Grandma found a house in Bluefield West Virginia. She found a great big house that sits on the side of a mountain. We have our own room! Theres a big front porch so we have a place to ride our bikes, and we have a huge yard to run in. We were having a lot of fun in our new house. We got to stay there for a whole 3 days. One day, this lady pulled up with the police and told our Aunt Kristle they were taking us away. They put on our shoes and our coats. Put us in a car and they drove away. We didn’t even get to say good-bye.The state claims I (as the grandmother) didn’t call anyone to let them know where I was moving (phone call made and I spoke to caseworker Diane Snell) She was given the address. She claims she found us because I enrolled the children in school. They were enrolled in school on the 8th of April, and were taken on the 9th. She also decided to add the fact that I’m not working. I lost my job in December of 2007. (That wasn’t a problem to them when I was living Martingburg) I haven’t been in Bluefield long enough to find a job YET. But I still have plenty of money in savings to handle my bills, and care for these two children untill I find a job.The whole reason for this story if because these girls, along with myself, need your help. I wanted the girls’ story heard. These children were removed from their home for unfounded reasons. They have not been in anyway abused. They were happy go lucky. Dakota was finally feeling safe and started talking, which she didn’t for almost 1 1/2 years. They have been in my home for 2 years now. The only abuse they have had to endure is being ripped from their home again. Why? Because I found and bought a home for them some place other than martinsburg?Our Government officials need to see first hand how thier government funded offices are handling their money. They need to know what their government funded offices are doing to our american families, and how they are tearing us apart for no aparent reason. I need you to sign this letter with any comments you’d like to express.Send it on to all of your friends. I’m shooting for at least 5000 signatures. Whoever is the 1000,2000,3000,4000,and the 5000th person to sign this please email it to me at sassiedana@yahoo.com Its very important that this gets emailed back to me so that I can make sure it gets to our Government officials. Please help bring these girls back home!! We need them just as much as they need us!!Thank you for all your help, Dana Logan*click reply to poster, then copy the entire bulletin so that you get the slideshow in there as well. Then go back to your bulletins, paste, and then send* Thank you for your help!!!1. Kristle Logan- These two girls are my whole entire world. I live and breath for these babies. They have put hope and happiness back into my life. They give me something to live for. There is no sunlight in my life, without them by myside. Please help us bring them back home!!2. Dana Logan3. Saphire Gail Logan- Please help, I want to go home where I belong. I’m lost without my family. The only thing they have done since the begining of this whole thing was love my sister and I. Please help bring us home!!4.Dakota Logan- I want to go home where I belong. These people may not be my biological family, but they have taken me in from day one and claimed me as one of their own. Every child out there that doesn’t have a family wishes they could have that. Why would someone want to take that away from me? I’m not a bad kid. I haven’t done anything wrong! Why are they punishing me and my sister? Why are they punishing any of us? We have done absolutely nothing wrong. The only thing that we have done was loved each other and been there for one another. Please help me bring my family back together and repost this bulletin! 5.tracey manzer6.ashley manzer
Comment by dana logan — May 5, 2008 @ 11:46 am
I need help and all I’m hitting is walls.My son was taken from me last monday night, like a fool i let the police in, a neighbor had made a false 911 call saying our son was screaming. Our old house has been condemned,we’ve been arrested (criminal mistreatment 4th degree)
The CPS has been great, she helped money wise and we’re moving into a new house tomorrow
Heres our problem, CPS says we can have our son back as soon as we’re moved into the new house, the judge though put this court order that we can’t even be around kids 16 or under unless theres another adult around, We have gotten letters about how we treated or son, from friends, from doctors and family.
But it doesn’t even sound like they’re going to move the court date up sooner, as it is we’ve got another month until the next court date
We live in western WA
Comment by Tori — May 6, 2008 @ 7:06 pm
Tori-
You fail to see what is really happening with CPS. “They have been great”. NO! They are showing the judge that without their care of you and the son, you cannot parent responsibly on your own.
This practice seems to be the norm when they are trying to keep your child. They come off helpful, but really they are putting all the building blocks together to build a firm case against you later.
Been there, done that. Over 16 months later, and many regrets falling for this CPS help, we finally have the grandkids home with us, but NOT their parents who used to live in a near condemned home.
I just hope you have family willing to jump in and raise the son.
Please-please-please…think twice as before you agree to anything other than what you have already done; taken money.
Comment by Cheryl — May 7, 2008 @ 8:08 am
I have a daycare. Last year a parent called and lied about my daycare. The case was unfounded. They hold it for a year and close it if no new information is given. It would have been a year this Apr.
Then zoning shows up claiming a neighbor reported me for having too many children in my daycare. (more than allowed by the city) This was not the case and I let zoning come in and count the (2) children in my care. (I am allowed 5). Zoning felt I would have more problems from this person. Anyhow I don’t care about the zoning issue, I was and I am always in complaince. However this parent lied to CPS about my child last year. They (CPS) went to her school. This scared her. She is affraid someone will take her from her mommy and daddy. At this point I don’t know if she called CPS or anyone else besides zoning. However if she did, she would have to have lied. (again) Can I call CPS on her for emoitional abuse on my child?
Comment by fran — May 7, 2008 @ 9:30 am
Fran, it is absolutely not a good idea to call CPS to report someone else’s emotional abuse of your child. Calling CPS is like opening a can of worms. And to say your child is being emotionally abused by anyone will turn the CPS worker on YOU. They could say you are an incompetent parent because you aren’t protecting your child from the emotional abuse. Plus, they cannot do anything to your neighbor. They can only take children out of their family homes and put the parents through years of trauma and turmoil. So whatever you do about the neighbor, calling CPS is the worst idea ever. They don’t “help”. The laws aren’t set up that way.
As to what you can do about your neighbor - if you can PROVE that your neighbor is responsible for harassment calls, you can take this to court. But without proof you’re just looking for more problems for yourself.
Good luck dealing with these thugs. Probably the best thing to do is to document the things that have gone on and their nuisance calls, and then just ignore them, stay away from them, and not talk to them. Maybe they’ll give up and find another hobby.
Comment by Linda — May 7, 2008 @ 3:01 pm
How do I sign on to post a “Headline” not just a response to someone else’s comment or blog?? Thank you.
Comment by Vera Dubchek — May 7, 2008 @ 3:35 pm
every county in this country needs an attorney with the balls to take on cps and drag every single one of these child stealing-family distroying pigs thru the mud & crap & humiliation that these creepy pigs put families through—a majority of public defenders are tight with cps and are just as worthless as the cps pigs are! if you can afford to pay for an attorney-make sure that they have very big balls!(public defenders don’t).
Comment by janet — May 7, 2008 @ 7:30 pm
Bill of Rights for Foster Children
Ratified in Congress Hall, Philadelphia Saturday, the Twenty-eighth of April, Nineteen hundred and seventy three
Comment by angela hawk — May 7, 2008 @ 8:08 pm
were can us people turn to and go to to get our kids back home were they should be whos higher then cps there a lot of people not just me my family crying for help to get there kids home someone please help tell me were to turn to thank you paula
Comment by paula — May 7, 2008 @ 8:22 pm
well I lost my son because i was growing marijuana in the house. I do not believe that it is a drug… it is a herb.. it grows next to garlic, basil, thyme, and any other herb….
there were no narcotics in the house, no pills no nothing but a plant that grows from a seed… not manufactured out of chemicals.
And my marijuana was grown organicly.
i live in the great state of texas where it is child endangerment to have your child around the herb marijuana…
What i dont understand is how 3 states over in California i can walk with my hand holding my childs hand and by it from a vending machine and not endangering my child…
Or in Alaska or in Oregean or any of the other 10 states where it is legal.
You can make rope, clothes, furniture out of it.
You can make fuel/bio diesel out of it.
It helps the sick to feal better, helps the sick to eat when they cant eat…
It calms anxiety in some…
Do I need to go on????
I have no prior offenses, i work, pay my taxes…. after they take 30% of my money all year…. lol
Anywho i do not feal ashamed for doing this, i was feeding my son, paying my bills, my son at the age of 3 was jumping his bike as i race bmx professionly, i am also a DJ and at 4 he as the skill to scratch.. And
back at the age of 3 he was swimming without floaties….
And i was home schooling him as well…
i have passed my hair test and my 2nd drug test in the last month.. i get to see my son for the first time in over a month because i have called CPS and screamed and yelled and filled up voice mail boxes…
they know im a good parent by the behavior of my son….
I also have letters from concerned parents telling how i am a good parent…
anyway i have learned that they (CPS) thinks they just know what is best…
shoot in my first family assessment meeting i asked where my son was and for an hour they did not even have the phone number.. they had wrong numbers…
the meeting was held in the up most disrespecting manner….
Also by people that do not even have children….
How can you run an organization by people saying there for the children that dont even have children???
I was not growing the herb for money, i was growing it to make a point….
A moral point and which i have done….
i will not bow down to CPS ever..
they may be able to keep my son physically from me until whenever…
but they can never ever break the love the bond that we have for one another!!!
And my child did not cry, did not scream when they took me….
cause he knew to be strong and he was….
And ive heard he is one of the best behaved children they have en-counterd….
BECAUSE I AM A GOOD DAD!!!
JEEZ GET THE NET!!!!
i dont do narcotics, or pills or downers or anything prescribed….
i jump 25 foot jumps on my bmx bike at the age of 39 because i am healthy and in shape not because im cracked out…
my god!!!!
Anyways I just wanted to get this out to maybe someone that will actually listen!!
i have since started a new business and it is very lucrative!!!
i will fight to the death to get my son back and passing drug test will be a JOKE!!!
cause im not a drug addict….
i just use the herb along with all the other herbs in my cabinet…
I also eat an all organic diet, i do not eat fast food or eat out very often…
i cook at home and also take care of 4 dogs and my sister kids…..
i have a bmx track in my backyard and teach kids to jump!!!
O and one more thing my son was doing front flips on the trampoline at age 3~~
because i was cracked out rite???
lets see what the foster parents can teach him??
Comment by Charles Anthony — May 7, 2008 @ 9:31 pm
Charles you are a fool. You made your moral point. You won’t bow down to CPS and continue to grow pot. You have put pot and your point over your child. So sad. You are just making it easy for them. Is pot really worth it?
Comment by Missy — May 8, 2008 @ 4:22 am
Dear Charles
I am sorry this has happen to you and your son. But as far as the law is concerned you can’t grow “pot”. It can only be grown by the goverment for medically use, and I am sure you already know that. I won’t give my opinon on the subject any further because it is not a popular opinon. However I know how CPS works. My child attends a catholic school. (my choice) when I was reported to CPS this was part of their investagation. Although it’s not the same because it is legal to place your child in a non public school envorinment. CPS told me that if I signed a form agreeing to remove her from that school and place her in either a baptist of public school, they would drop their investagation. I refused. knew CPS was lying. But I felt like by agreeing to their terms, I would be “selling my soul to the devil” Now I am not overly relgious, so that was not the issue.
However I feel in your case you need to get rid of the pot, merely because it’s illegal, and it’s not helping you case. I am a child from the 70’s and I understand your point, but it’s 2008 and it’s now a issue between your child and your convictions and this conviction is illegal. Therefore no matter how you try to explain it you can not win this point. Please understand I am not comdeming you for your convictions, merely pointing out, that you may have to re-think what is more inportant. Your opinon, or convictions, or your child?
Comment by fran — May 8, 2008 @ 5:39 am
Missy: Is it so much to have the government have this much sway over things? Marijuana isn’t this big and nasty thing they made it out to be. Unfortunately for Charles, even if he DID get rid of the pot, CPS would still keep his kids.
What you don’t get is that right/wrong doesn’t matter. Once they have ANY pretext for snatching the children they will- and it’s unholy hell trying to get them to back down, even when they’re wrong. Moreover, they go looking for making all sorts of untenable positions.
In the end, we’ve sold out our soul to a bunch of people that plain flat-out are crazy beyond words (So far, I’ve seen at least three instances of a caseworker, if they were to submit to a psych eval, be diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder. (Look it up…).) and have no business being anywhere other than a psych ward in a hospital themselves.
But they have authority. The courts listen to them.
I thank GOD that I don’t have children- I, as a man, only have to face the horrors of false accusations (At least I can defend myself- a child can’t in this insanity…) from another person. With a Child, I’d have to worry about being accused of things I’d never do- but would be presumed GUILTY before proven innocent (Uh, these ARE criminal violations here, folks- where’s that little presumption in the Constitution???) and then the child will be placed into an environment and a situation where they will most likely be much more abused than anything I might have done to them. Moreover, you run the risk of making a girl or boy a Borderline Personality when you do crap like this.
It’s wrong in most cases and we’re doing nothing about it.
Comment by MadScientist — May 8, 2008 @ 5:39 am
I’d avoid taking the Profane Justice site TOO seriously- some of the people they’re affiliated with (www.badadvocates.com) seem wont to name calling, peppering their posts with very disturbing misandrist propaganda and pictures, and doing a lot of “personality profile” articles and while the people they’re “profiling” are very definitely mentally ill, the descriptions are dead-wrong as to what’s actually WRONG with the person.
Take their advice to heart- you should be cautious about online stuff.
Comment by MadScientist — May 8, 2008 @ 6:23 am
MadAScientist: I agree, pot is not the evil that it is made out to be. Thats not the point though, its illegal, Charles knows its illegal, he chose to grow/use it anyway and now his son’s life will never be the same. That is what I object to, not pot in general.
Comment by Missy — May 8, 2008 @ 6:27 am
MadScientist
the people they’re “profiling” are very definitely mentally i??
Please Look at Profane Justice which is the 100% owner and editor of badadvocates.com now Tell me who is the one with the mental issues..
Billy
http://thetruthistold.com/
If You’re Not Outraged, You’re Not Paying Attention ..
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Comment by billy wiseman — May 8, 2008 @ 10:21 am
MadScientist,
Take a good look at Profane Nonsense(justice) and trash others(badadvocates.com). Those people are out of their minds, vicious, vindictive, and liars. I’ve watched those people since the Internet Archive incident. I thought Ms.Shel and her buddies were nuts back then, but they’ve actually passed insanity. Nothing a straight jacket and padded cell can’t cure.
Comment by Val — May 8, 2008 @ 10:39 am
Dear Mr Madscientist
First my nane isn’t Missy. It’s Fran. I’m not hiding behind a coded name. If you read my post I did NOT say I had anytthing aganist pot. (I grew up in th 70’s. that was a clue). However it’s illegal. Of course CPS is going to use anything made up or otherwise aganist parents in order to take their children away. CPS lies, that a fact! Why give them something to use aganist you? Your right even if Chales gets rid of the pot CPS is going to be in his life. But right now he needs a lawyer. The first thing the lawyer is going to require is that Charles stop growing weed. He can’t keep the pot and get his child back. I remember the days of “less than an ounce etc… Thoses days are gone. I feel for Charles and I understand making a stand aganist the goverment. However in this case Charles has to choose which is more inportant, his conviction, that growing pot is harmless, or getting his child back.
Comment by fran — May 8, 2008 @ 11:03 am
I am at not sure who to turn to for help. My grandchildredn were placed with me June 12 of 07. My daughter and her husband had just gotton back from a little leage baseball game with the kids and the police raided the home. The police said they has a tip they were selling drugs. Needless to say both went to jail. My husband (the grandfather) picked the kids up from the house and brought them to our house. He was given a number with Child protective service and told to be there in the morning. Unfortunatly the kids were taken out of the house and live with us. There were no drugs found in the home and the police released both of the parents with no charges. The FIA and the Childprotective services both agreed this should not be in court . Well here it is a year later and now as of yesterday the FIA worker recommended my daughter not be allowed to see the kids unsupervised no more because the worker did not get lab results of drug testing from a place they have been going for a year. At no time has she ever had a bad drug screen at random or in any court hearing. I asked why, and she (FIA ) said because my daughter didnt give her paper work from the random screens. What I dont understand, it the worker gets the lab work not my daughter. We discussed the issue of my daughter never ever using drugs , she agreedbut said she wants the data. So now the kids can not see their mom unless I get them to the agency 3 days a week for one hour. The girls are 10 and 11 they do not get off the school bus until 4:445 . the agency is 30 min, away.they have to eat dinner ,they are in cheer leading ,swim club, and after school homework club. I dont understand. If anyone can help I would appreciate it. I believe this worker is out of control and is doing thongs in her own intrest not the kids. I did tell her that and she said maybe everyone involved would do what she asked of them by taking the kids away. Please help. I am not sure who to turn to for help.
Comment by Michelle — May 8, 2008 @ 11:12 am
Dear Linda
thanks for the advise. i am just so fed up with this woman using the system to hurt others. It tears me up inside to think that my baby will have to face these CPS workers again because of the insane lies told by this person. You can’t reason with them. Even when you have proof that the things she states are made up, they still side with her saying “why would she lie” How do I know why, she’s crazy! So my baby who is scared to death of these people from last time has to be victimized again. I will take your advise because after I calmed down and thought about it, it made sense. However I hope they do not go to her school. If they come to the house I can tell them that we can all meet at my lawyers office. However I have no control at the school.
Comment by fran — May 8, 2008 @ 11:13 am
Michelle, as a grandparent you have almost no rights if this caseworker chooses to take the kids away from you and place them with a different relative or a foster caretaker.
Please don’t rock the boat!
Let the parents of the children fight this battle with the caseworker. They need to get the paperwork straightened out. This is an example of how caseworkers threaten and manipulate things when they don’t get the paperwork they need. But you, Grandma… stay out of the fight… just hope that she’ll leave the kids with you for now where they are loved and taken care of right.
Comment by Linda — May 8, 2008 @ 2:19 pm
Fran, about not having control at the schools, there’s a thing called a Hatch Letter you can write to the school requesting no contact with CPS for your children. But most school employees do not understand this issue. When my daughter went to eighth grade after being homeschooled many years, I wrote a Hatch Letter to the school. But half-way through the school year when one of the school board members called CPS because I didn’t have my daughter enrolled in a counseling program, the school totally ignored the Hatch Letter and they were going to let the CPS worker interview her alone anyhow. The CPS worker called me first and I arrived at the school as they were calling her out of class, so I sat in on that interview. But the point is, you can write it but when a CPS worker shows up at the school, the school secretary may not honor it. If you go this route, explain the situation to the school secretary. Also children can be given cards stating that if they are interviewed by CPS they want to have their parent and/or attorney present. It is up to the children to demand this right when confronted with the situation.
Comment by Linda — May 8, 2008 @ 2:36 pm
Dear Linda
Thanks for the info. I read something about that the other day. It’s hard to explain to a five year old, however since she is so scared from before she may understand. I will get that done and in place this week. Thanks
Comment by fran — May 8, 2008 @ 6:01 pm
The reality is, most lawyers won’t take on the stuff, nor will any of the judges. Northwest Texas Legal Aid told my friend who’s dealing with false allegations to CPS who just called them today- “They won’t take on cases because they’re too powerful. Judges and Lawyers won’t take cases like that because they’re too powerful and you’ll just have to jump through the hoops they put you through even if they’re in the wrong.”. WORD FOR WORD. What in the HELL is going on here? Too powerful? For them to be breaking the law with impunity? This is a caseworker with little more than a Masters in Psychology, dictating LAW to people willy nilly- for the sake of the kids.
Comment by MadScientist — May 9, 2008 @ 9:02 am
Mad Scientist:
You sure that s/he has an earned Master’s in Psychology?
http://www.txcfr.org
Texas Center for Family Rights. Phone # on Website. Nice folks.
Comment by Fern — May 9, 2008 @ 11:47 am
Heh… I was being gracious at best. I can’t surmise what they do/don’t have in a degree. All I do know is that they’re very much guilty of multiple violations of my friends’ Fourth and Fourteenth Amendment rights. Right down to the Safety Order they coerced them into signing so they could keep their kids.
Thanks for the heads up on the link- I think they’re going to need it. The case worker is one of the ones that was involved with the Eldorado raids. While there’s room for doubt that all those people are innocent of wrongdoing in a manner that there should be no issue with CPS, what they did there is something that we fought WWII over.
Comment by MadScientist — May 9, 2008 @ 4:11 pm
Dear MadScientist
I understand your frustration. I tried to hire a lawyer. However the only lawyer in our area willing to take on CPS had retired. Then I was told that I only had a year from the date the complaint was made. Where the person making the complaint had a year from the date the case was unfounded to introduce new information. By the time I could sue her, time ran out, however she had another year. Which she used to call zoning, CPS, etc…This woman is totally protected by the law, and my child is victimized by CPS when ever she feels like calling, with new lies. I’m at the point now that I don’t know what to do. I don’t know who will show up at my door next. It’s beyond words the injustice that our system allows to go on. Now I document everything. But it seems pointless.
Comment by fran — May 9, 2008 @ 4:23 pm
This is my second time being investigated by the CPS due to false and frivolous accusations by my ex-wife. Even though she broke court orders taking him to the emergency room without contacting me over a “suspicious bruise” as lord knows it is absolutely abnormal for a 2 year old to be injured in any way, especially small scrapes or bruises. Regardless of the fact that I have proved repeated false allegations by this woman through domestic violence accusations, 3 PPO’s, 1.5 year divorce, and this is about her 20th accusation of child abuse (even though she testified on the stand she has never accused me of child abuse) through medical sources.
This tells me CPS feels it is okay for false accusations since they fall into erring with the child “just in case” even if the person has repeatedly made false accusations in her very recent past, it is very okay and merely labeled as an “overprotective mother”. Even though I have no history of abuse and also have a 9 and 11 year old whom the mother will speak worlds of me about and both are the top of their class academically and behavior-wise.
All this and I now havn’t seen my 2 year old in three weeks now because of an over-arrogant and power-demanding CPS investigator. She told me she did not even read the old investigation (which I received a full copy of by judicial order proving the ex-wife was again the accuser), and does not care as it “is not relevant”.
Seems to me, they know what answer they want, and try to base their investigation to prove it without considering any surrounding facts. The constitution, parent’s rights, and children’s rights are thrown out the window for someone who simply wants to remove the child from the other parent’s life.
all they have to do is keep complaining…..
Makes me want to move to another country where animals have less rights than humans, and citizens are protected against false accusations and actually are “innocent until proven guilty”
I’m done venting now. If anyone knows of an excellent attourney specializing in CPS that is willing to sue the CPS and my ex-wife (I have documented proof of repeated false accusations, filing of false police reports, and lieing under oath) — money is no concern. Family and friends are poised ready to each drop thousands of dollars in attempts of ending this repeated harassment by my ex-wife and her abuse and total disregard for justice, our court system, and repeatedly and intentionally using the system fraudulently to persecute me.
Comment by drew — May 10, 2008 @ 1:14 am
Dear Drew
In the same situation but the woman is not related to me, just crazy. Anyhow after having yet another agency at my house for yet another false alligation, I was told by (the last angency to respond) that she (this woman) is protected by the law and can call any angency including the police and state what ever she want’s as long as she feels she is being truthful. However there is no way to comeback at her, because this would mean that anyone making a alligation could be sued and therefore the alligations that are true may go unreported. The lastest I have heard is she may call the media. I checked with my lawyer and was told the media is also protected by “freedom of speech”. So I am learning that anyone can say anything (as long as they “feel” they are truthful) and they can not be sued. So I asked, well that should work both ways? NO, because I was the one that had the charges against me in the first place, I do not share in the same rights. It has been a year, things were peaceful after I got my unfounded letter, the case was about be be closed (her year would have been up) Three days before the year was up, she started again. You know what, I haven’t even see this woman the whole time.
Comment by fran — May 10, 2008 @ 10:32 am
My name is Alicia Ferriter and my family has also been involved with the corrupt Michigan Child Proctive Services. It began when my husband and I filed a motion to extend parenting time with his son, from a previous relationship. We were doing this because we believed we could provide him with a better life than his mother who was living on welfare, in government housing, and who was also mentally abusing him. So as soon as she cought wind of this motion she called Oakland Co. CPS and filed a complaint of niglect and abuse in our home. The suspended my husband’s parenting time and conducted the invesigation. It was of corse dismissed for being false. Fastforward a few months and the custody battle still playing out. She again calls CPS claiming I “spanked” the child. Again, CPS conducts an investigation, and this time determines she suffers from Parent Alleination syndrom. (And of corse, that I infact didn’t “spank” the child. Note: She acctually put a fingertip size bruse on his buttox to make it look like I did spank him.) That in itself should have been grounds for her parental rights to be suspended until she gets the help she needs for her mental unstableness. So, the custody battle goes on and then she calls CPS a third time claiming that my husband sexually molested our daughter. And yet again, they conduct an investigaIon. This time removing my daughter from the home and placing her in care of a relative. Neither I nor my husband were allowed contact with her until the conclution of the investigation. We missed her first day of kindergarden and weren’t allowed to have her return for 6 WEEKS. While this invesigation was underway, they interviewed their child in which they finially determined was being coached along with interviewing our daughter who offered no indication of being sexually abused OR abused in anyway. Although she has now been determined of having Parent Alleination Syndrome and Coaching her child to say the most discustion and explissed discriptions that supposedly happened in our home. (Their child was 5 at the time) So another years goes by and the custody battle is still underway. (My husband and I have 2 children together.) My son, who was just 4 at the time started to make inappropriate comments about his “peter”, “weiner”, etc. He would tell his sister “to touch his weiner” and also would pull his pants down in public making comments. I was alarmed! After some hesitation of me drilling him trying to find out where this is coming from, he finially admitted to me that “Joey makes him touch his”. I had no choice but to call Cps and file a report. This child of theirs was either being abused himself or it is a direct result of the mother coaching him during the CPS report filed against my husband. So, after waiting 3 weeks..nothing. So I called the supervisor of the person that was doing the investigation. Finially, after 6 WEEKS, and investigation goes underway. My son was interviewed at Carehouse and it was determined that he was infact being taught this by his 1/2 brother but they claim “he wasn’t traumatized” so they did nothing! My son was sexually abused by a six year old child who is himself suffering abuse and they do nothing?!?! But yet, they certianly did do something when she make her FALSE ALLIGATIONS. This child may be being sexually abused, IS being mentially abused and they just turn their heads and pretend like nothing happeded? Are they going to do the same when he does this to other children? And here’s the best part, the child’s mother is trying to become a CPS worker herself! Just imagine the hell she’s going to reep upon other familys. This woman is UNSTABLE AND UNABLE TO EFFECTIVELY PARENT HER OWN CHILD BUT IS GOING TO BE A CPS CASE WORKER! Something needs to be done. Thank you for listening.
Comment by Alicia Ferritrer — May 10, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
Is it true that caseworkers are immune to the law when it comes to lying?
My caseworker lied on stand to judge about my daughter having bruises when the pediatrician documented that there were no bruises?
Also my son is claiming abuse by foster dad but yet I keep getting brushed off and nothing is happening.
One more thing, one of my children will have to stay in foster care for treatment of bipolar. They are expecting the other 2 children to remain in foster care to go along for the ride while sibling gets treatment. Is this fair to keep other children away from family and friends? Also can anything be done about this type of situation? I agree my child should stay in foster care to get treatment but at the same time don’t think the the other 2 should have to stay and go along for the ride for months if not years. TIA to anyone who can help.
Comment by Meghan — May 10, 2008 @ 4:36 pm
HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i am 22 years old living in sioux city, ia and have 2 beautiful baby boys. i was with there father for about 6 years. He was abusive to me emotionally, physically, and sexually. Him and my crazy mother live together and have been making up lies to me.my mom abused me as a child and helped my husband see marijuana out of her home. they set me up in a parking lot about 1 year ago and stole my 4 year old from me right out of my arms. they tell cps that my boyfriend was using drugs and cps told me that we had to break up. cps keeps making up lies about me saying that i am bring my kids around inapropriate people. i had one cps worker walk into my house without my permission and start searching through my drawers and when i told her to get out of my house she told the judge that i threatened her life and that i scratched up her car, even tho i was in the house with her. man i must be good 2 be able 2 be in 2 places at one time. my boyfriend has done nothing and has offered to do what he needs to help me keep the kids. cps says no. i have been fighting this for almost 2 years now and i am getting nowhere. Did i mention that my husband has been to jail for hitting me and is facing felony charges for using a false ssn to gain employment…HE IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT!!!!!!! i told cps he could take my kids and run 2 mexico with them and that i will never see them again. but they say the are not concerned about that. May 9, 2008 i went to court and cps gave custody to my husband and only will allow me to see them supervised for 2 hrs per week. But did agree to move it to district court, from juvenile court. Im not real sure what good that will do for me. But i love my kids with all my heart and will not give up on them. My 4 years old crys at every visit with me begging me to let him come back home. I just keep telling him i am trying my best. Please help me if anyone knows anything i can do to get this resolved!!! im begging for the saftey of my kids. If my ex runs to mexico with them then what??? Please help me by calling. 712-577-8557, my phone is always on!!!! i need help fast!! i dont get online much, so i need help so please call if u know what i can do or have any suggestions.
Comment by Rose — May 10, 2008 @ 5:00 pm
I have a friend who allowed her brother to put a small tattoo on her 14 year old sons arm. Her sisters roomate found out and threatened to call the police and CPS. I know they would probably go to the house but based on this one thing, do you all think they would have a case? They live in Missouri.
Comment by Emma — May 11, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
I am a CPS worker in CA. I do not think that would even be investigated, well at least not in the county I work for…it could be different in other counties.
Comment by Sinthia — May 11, 2008 @ 8:10 pm
Fran,
Reporting parties (RP’s) are always kept confidential. How do you know who is making a “false alligation”
against you?
It is true that anyone can make allegations about a family, whether they are true or not. This includes family members, neighbors, and what are called mandated reporters; nurses, doctors, teachers and daycare providers, to name a few.
When someone calls your particular county’s child abuse hotline to report suspicions of child abuse and/or neglect, there is a trained professional, many times a Protective Services Worker (PSW) at the other end of the line who gathers all of the necessary and pertinent information. That PSW uses, not only their own assessment skills but they also use what is called a Structured Decision Making (SDM) tool, which is computerized, to decide whether the report should be evaluated out, meaning it doesn’t warrant an investigation or if it should be investigated. This decision is based on the allegations, age of the child victim, severity of the abuse, and other important information. It is then determined whether the referral/report requires an immediate response, usually within 2 hours, 3-5 day response or 10 day response. The response times differ depending on the county and state.
The referral/report is then assigned to a PSW who interviews the children, parents, and collaterals (people who know the family such as family members, neighbors, doctors, teachers, etc.) It is the PSW’s job to determine whether the allegations are Substantiated, Inconclusive or Unfounded. The PSW assesses the immediate safety concerns. I can not speak for other PSW’s on this but I try all other recourses before placing a child into protective custody. Sometimes, there are safety concerns but a child can be left in the home when a safety plan is put into place and enforced (ex. a domestic violence (DV) perpetrator leaves the home, a temporary restraining order (TRO) is obtained, and the family engages in a Voluntary Services (VS) case.) Please note that DV in the home while children are present can constitute Emotional Abuse (EA).
In my county there are TDM (Team Decision Making) meetings held, which include the family members and other community agencies, in order to mitigate the circumstances that brought the family to the attention of Child Welfare Services (CWS). Many times, a VS case and TDM’s are put into place before placing a child in protective custody. My point is that there are often many opportunities for the parents’ to address safety/risk factors before their child is removed.
If a child has to be placed into protective custody, an emergency placement with a relative or non related extended family member (NREFM), such as a close family friend or family’s church member, can be made on the spot and at the time of the removal, so that the child does not have to be placed in a foster home. It is my county’s policy to place with the parents’ first, relatives next, NREFM’s, then foster parents last.
I speak for myself and my experience working as a CWS PSW in my county and region, with a mainly Spanish speaking Hispanic population (of which I am a part of) that I do all that I can to prevent children from being removed from their parents’ because being a mother myself I can only imagine how traumatizing and damaging this can be for a family. A removal is only made when a child is at risk of serious harm and/or injury.
Thanks for hearing me out.
Comment by Sinthia — May 11, 2008 @ 9:25 pm
I am a mother of 5 kids !! On april 28 of this year my 3 yr old fell from the 2 story bedroom window she is doing great only suffered a skull fracture but she will recover fully!! cys stepped in becasue my house was dirty (was really bad i was in a car accident and got hurt so not able to do the everyday clean up ) my bf is off 2 days a week so i scrubb down on those two days every week !! now i need to fight to get them back and i never hurt them ever I need help on how to get them and the steps i need to take to get them hit me up on yahoo Minga021 !! i am always on i need help fast my hiring for permancey hiring is on the 13th of this month my state is pennsylvania
Comment by Minga — May 11, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
Michelle,
Will CPS allow *you* to supervise the visits between your grandchildren and your daughter? If they will allow you to do it, there is the possibility that you can do it at some neutral location (McD’s, a playground, etc.). It may be worth checking in to.
Good luck.
Jess
Comment by Jess — May 12, 2008 @ 6:27 am