Comments on: Parents: Do You Remember The Fourth Amendment? http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/ Family Rights v. Child Welfare Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:09:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Renee http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-4213 Renee Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:03:54 +0000 http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-4213 Let me first say this. When ANYONE, including HSLDA, wins against lawless perverters of justice, I rejoice and thank my God. We've been homeschoolers since our first child and have teens now. However, one caution about HSLDA... They refuse to help homeschoolers who are not currently dues-paying members. If you have a CPS problem right now and you just found out about HSLDA, sorry, folks, you are just out of luck. Find an attorney on your own; HSLDA will not only not offer you legal help (beyond a referral), they will snub your family's application as a member family. That last part is hard to understand. Why kick a family when they are already down? Isn't that what HSLDA claims to be for, rights of all homeschoolers? And doesn't what happens to my neighbor affect me, including snubbed non-HSLDA homeschool families? I can understand the decision not to represent a family for free or even at all when they are new to HSLDA and currently going through a CPS mess, but why bar a family from even being members of the organization at all until the CPS mess is cleaned up? Weird, that's all I have to say. At the very least, allowing families into the organization regardless of status with CPS would help give many innocent families emotional and spiritual support. I thought HSLDA was more than the legal defense part. I can't imagine the National Rifle Association turning anyone away because they are currently having legal problems. It's simple enough; the NRA remains neutral and allows their members the freedom to deal with the courts about their own private matters. I can't imagine the NRA would be the powerful organization it is if it turned away potential members that easily. And another thing is the dues part. If HSLDA only wants families who are NOT going through the CPS grinder, it seems what they DO want is a lot of families paying dues who aren't now or may never have problems. That tips the balance toward dues payers who never need their services. Something stinks with that. Our family chose not to become members of HSLDA because of this matter. I'm also learning they are not as influential as they may appear to be to new homeschool families, and some of their political lobbying may not speak for all families. They certainly don't speak for us, and they don't speak for the majority of homeschool families, as is backed up by the number of homeschool families vs. number of HSLDA member families. OK, off the soapbox. Rejoicing in another victory. Thanks for posting. Let me first say this. When ANYONE, including HSLDA, wins against lawless perverters of justice, I rejoice and thank my God. We’ve been homeschoolers since our first child and have teens now. However, one caution about HSLDA… They refuse to help homeschoolers who are not currently dues-paying members. If you have a CPS problem right now and you just found out about HSLDA, sorry, folks, you are just out of luck. Find an attorney on your own; HSLDA will not only not offer you legal help (beyond a referral), they will snub your family’s application as a member family.

That last part is hard to understand. Why kick a family when they are already down? Isn’t that what HSLDA claims to be for, rights of all homeschoolers? And doesn’t what happens to my neighbor affect me, including snubbed non-HSLDA homeschool families? I can understand the decision not to represent a family for free or even at all when they are new to HSLDA and currently going through a CPS mess, but why bar a family from even being members of the organization at all until the CPS mess is cleaned up? Weird, that’s all I have to say. At the very least, allowing families into the organization regardless of status with CPS would help give many innocent families emotional and spiritual support. I thought HSLDA was more than the legal defense part. I can’t imagine the National Rifle Association turning anyone away because they are currently having legal problems. It’s simple enough; the NRA remains neutral and allows their members the freedom to deal with the courts about their own private matters. I can’t imagine the NRA would be the powerful organization it is if it turned away potential members that easily. And another thing is the dues part. If HSLDA only wants families who are NOT going through the CPS grinder, it seems what they DO want is a lot of families paying dues who aren’t now or may never have problems. That tips the balance toward dues payers who never need their services. Something stinks with that.

Our family chose not to become members of HSLDA because of this matter. I’m also learning they are not as influential as they may appear to be to new homeschool families, and some of their political lobbying may not speak for all families. They certainly don’t speak for us, and they don’t speak for the majority of homeschool families, as is backed up by the number of homeschool families vs. number of HSLDA member families.

OK, off the soapbox. Rejoicing in another victory. Thanks for posting.

]]> By: Linda http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-4268 Linda Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:46:33 +0000 http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-4268 Renee, I had the same result as you when I had a CPS problem and wrote to the HSLDA attorneys about it. They wished me well and said they wouldn't help. However I didn't try to join their organization, so I didn't get the resounding slap in the face that you got. I side with you in that matter. To refuse your application at that time was heartless, and yes, probably an indication that their business profit is more important to them than the rights of families. Any other comments on this, anyone? Maybe you would have to be a homeschooling family to chime in on this... maybe not. I homeschooled my children for nine years. All the best to you, Renee. Renee, I had the same result as you when I had a CPS problem and wrote to the HSLDA attorneys about it. They wished me well and said they wouldn’t help. However I didn’t try to join their organization, so I didn’t get the resounding slap in the face that you got. I side with you in that matter. To refuse your application at that time was heartless, and yes, probably an indication that their business profit is more important to them than the rights of families.

Any other comments on this, anyone? Maybe you would have to be a homeschooling family to chime in on this… maybe not. I homeschooled my children for nine years.

All the best to you, Renee.

]]> By: Johnny http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-4349 Johnny Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:45:45 +0000 http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-4349 Hey Linda i have to agree with you about the 4th amendment. To what ive gathered C.P.S angencies(workers) are trying to disclude themselves from the amendment its not the case they are included. Like with my sons case the worker fabricated the accusations for the warrant to remove him from my care. Whats sad the worker didnt have real facts to represent her case but we had a dishonorable judge that went on strickly hearsay for this worker to terminate my rights. It should be ilegal to fabricate just to get a warrant and to lie under oath isnt that called perjury if it is then the judge on my sons case should be accountable just as well as the worker herself do you agree. Hey Linda i have to agree with you about the 4th amendment. To what ive gathered C.P.S angencies(workers) are trying to disclude themselves from the amendment its not the case they are included. Like with my sons case the worker fabricated the accusations for the warrant to remove him from my care. Whats sad the worker didnt have real facts to represent her case but we had a dishonorable judge that went on strickly hearsay for this worker to terminate my rights. It should be ilegal to fabricate just to get a warrant and to lie under oath isnt that called perjury if it is then the judge on my sons case should be accountable just as well as the worker herself do you agree.

]]> By: Christy http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-4398 Christy Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:04:49 +0000 http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-4398 i agree renee, lida and johnny i agree renee, lida and johnny

]]> By: Linda http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-4486 Linda Thu, 09 Aug 2007 05:00:43 +0000 http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-4486 Johnny, the judge isn't guilty of perjury - only the people who filed reports with misrepresentations of the truth. In a CPS case the judge decides on the preponderance of the evidence. If the caseworker files reports and you don't, they have the preponderance. That's how most cases are lost.... people don't realize that they have to file legal documents and evidence showing their side of the controversy. Johnny, the judge isn’t guilty of perjury - only the people who filed reports with misrepresentations of the truth. In a CPS case the judge decides on the preponderance of the evidence. If the caseworker files reports and you don’t, they have the preponderance. That’s how most cases are lost…. people don’t realize that they have to file legal documents and evidence showing their side of the controversy.

]]> By: Ronni http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-8484 Ronni Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:24:31 +0000 http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-8484 This situation gives air to my point about anonymous tips or calls to CPS. You never know what a persons motives are. For example: I could be disagreeing with an associate about the way she handles the well being of her children (just giving her advise and offering to help) but, she takes it an offensive way and may feel that i would call CPS on her so she calls in and makes false accusations on me.. This is not something that happened to me BUT IT DOES HAPPEN ALOT, especially to those of us who really do live our lifes for our children and there are jealous and revenge seeking people out there who will try to hurt you in the worst possible way ie. TAKE CHILDREN AWAY WHO ARE VERY MUCH LOVED. In refrence to the law if someone were to tell on another about a crime, their own personal credability is also examined, ANONYMOUS CALLS SHOULD NOT HAVE CPS KNOCKING AT OUR DOOR, THE CALLER SHOULD BE ASKED QUESTIONS AS TO WHO THEY ARE, THEIR INFORMATION, AND THEN WE OR THE ACCUSED SHOULD BE ABLE TO FACE THEIR ACCUSER..THERE SHOULD BE NO WAY AROUND THAT. If i knew that a child was being brutaly beaten or neglected i would tell the parent face to face and do my part to protect that child..The acuser should have nothing to hide, therefore unless they are just trying to be hateful and cause problems when in fact it is probebly their own children who need attention or help....something needs to change. This situation gives air to my point about anonymous tips or calls to CPS. You never know what a persons motives are. For example: I could be disagreeing with an associate about the way she handles the well being of her children (just giving her advise and offering to help) but, she takes it an offensive way and may feel that i would call CPS on her so she calls in and makes false accusations on me.. This is not something that happened to me BUT IT DOES HAPPEN ALOT, especially to those of us who really do live our lifes for our children and there are jealous and revenge seeking people out there who will try to hurt you in the worst possible way ie. TAKE CHILDREN AWAY WHO ARE VERY MUCH LOVED. In refrence to the law if someone were to tell on another about a crime, their own personal credability is also examined, ANONYMOUS CALLS SHOULD NOT HAVE CPS KNOCKING AT OUR DOOR, THE CALLER SHOULD BE ASKED QUESTIONS AS TO WHO THEY ARE, THEIR INFORMATION, AND THEN WE OR THE ACCUSED SHOULD BE ABLE TO FACE THEIR ACCUSER..THERE SHOULD BE NO WAY AROUND THAT. If i knew that a child was being brutaly beaten or neglected i would tell the parent face to face and do my part to protect that child..The acuser should have nothing to hide, therefore unless they are just trying to be hateful and cause problems when in fact it is probebly their own children who need attention or help….something needs to change.

]]> By: joe http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-9188 joe Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:53:32 +0000 http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-9188 CPS in our area thankfully has brains and are good solid people who truly investigate accusations. Ex-spouses with a grudge seem to like to make lots of false allegations. I was accused as a step-parent of being neglectful because I "ran out of milk" during a weekend visitation. Unbelievable. Only someone who is mentally ill would regard such a comment as viable. They also seem to like to manipulate their children into "confessing" about things. This is psychological torture. Thank God CPS here has decent people with more than an ounce of sense. CPS in our area thankfully has brains and are good solid people who truly investigate accusations. Ex-spouses with a grudge seem to like to make lots of false allegations. I was accused as a step-parent of being neglectful because I “ran out of milk” during a weekend visitation. Unbelievable. Only someone who is mentally ill would regard such a comment as viable.
They also seem to like to manipulate their children into “confessing” about things. This is psychological torture.
Thank God CPS here has decent people with more than an ounce of sense.

]]> By: janet http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-15569 janet Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:37:45 +0000 http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-15569 i am fighting cps now--carver county, chaska,minnesota..my son & i live in an apt and SUPPOSEDLy i am fighting cps now–carver county, chaska,minnesota..my son & i live in an apt and SUPPOSEDLy

]]> By: janet http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-15570 janet Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:51:06 +0000 http://fightcps.com/2007/02/09/parents-do-you-remember-the-fourth-amendment/#comment-15570 oops !! some neighbor heard my son & i ( 8 yrs old ) argueing so someone called cps and unknown to me yhe police showed and a cps worker showed up at my son's school asking him and his teacher all kinds of questions about me and his home life and that was about 2 months ago---they've got nothing but they keep digging & digging--contacting my family members--the cps worker ( sarah ) keeps and always tthreatens me that she has the power to take my son away and i just get the feeling that she is out to prove and determeined to take my son away--i thought cps does what ever they can to keep the child in the home--but this girl is doing everything she can to remove him..i kept my son home from school sick one day and she found out ( how i don't know ) but she said that she was knocking at my door fot 20 minutes and i didn't answer--she said she heard us talking and the tv on...the bottom line is--she was not at my home---but she reported to her supervisor nothing but lies-lies lies oops !! some neighbor heard my son & i ( 8 yrs old ) argueing so someone called cps and unknown to me yhe police showed and a cps worker showed up at my son’s school asking him and his teacher all kinds of questions about me and his home life and that was about 2 months ago—they’ve got nothing but they keep digging & digging–contacting my family members–the cps worker ( sarah ) keeps and always tthreatens me that she has the power to take my son away and i just get the feeling that she is out to prove and determeined to take my son away–i thought cps does what ever they can to keep the child in the home–but this girl is doing everything she can to remove him..i kept my son home from school sick one day and she found out ( how i don’t know ) but she said that she was knocking at my door fot 20 minutes and i didn’t answer–she said she heard us talking and the tv on…the bottom line is–she was not at my home—but she reported to her supervisor nothing but lies-lies lies

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